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    Cop handcuffs on-duty firefighter for not moving truck

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    As he was being handcuffed on the side of the 805 Freeway near Orange County, the firefighter, 12-year veteran Jacob Gregoire, told reporters who had gathered, "I just want to let you all know he’s arresting me."

    Later, according to CBS News 8, Gregoire told the arresting officer, whose name has not been released, "It’s unbelievable you guys have to treat us like this. We are trying to help you guys."

    The officer replied, "We asked you to clear the road, you said ‘No.’ You are being arrested for not moving."

    Gregoire was reportedly detained in the back of a highway patrol car for several minutes before being released. He was not charged.


    Chula Vista Fire Chief Dave Hanneman told CBS, "To detain one of our firefighters in the middle of an incident is ridiculous."

    In a statement, Hanneman praised the firefighters for doing what they were trained to do — protecting the scene of an accident with their trucks.


    Another case of bad cop letting personal pride get in the way of official duty. This cop handcuffed and arrested one of the firefighters on scene of car accident while they were treating car crash victims. The cop asked the firefighter to move the firetruck and he firefighter refused because it was put there as protection against another potential accident coming their way.

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    Re: Cop handcuffs on-duty firefighter for not moving truck

    The fire department has the right of way and can leave the truck where it is.

    How can the officer possibly justify this action?

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    Re: Cop handcuffs on-duty firefighter for not moving truck

    Well I can imagine a case where a fire dept officer chooses to ignore the need to re open the road with his need for another long break, but since I don't know the circumstances in this case who knows, but fire dept personnel and equipment are not above the law.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    The fire department has the right of way and can leave the truck where it is.

    How can the officer possibly justify this action?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    Well I can imagine a case where a fire dept officer chooses to ignore the need to re open the road with his need for another long break, but since I don't know the circumstances in this case who knows, but fire dept personnel and equipment are not above the law.
    They are if they are working on a scene.

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    Re: Cop handcuffs on-duty firefighter for not moving truck

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    Well I can imagine a case where a fire dept officer chooses to ignore the need to re open the road with his need for another long break, but since I don't know the circumstances in this case who knows, but fire dept personnel and equipment are not above the law.
    True, and you would agree that even in a case where the police officer is viewing the circumstances one way (public safety / highway obstruction) and the fire fighter or paramedic is viewing the event with more interest in tending to a victim (no matter how much traffic is impacted), I still don't see the need for a police officer to arrest a firefighter over the difference of opinion. Unless the firefighter is actually doing something criminal, I don't see how the cop doesn't come off as seeming unreasonable?

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    Re: Cop handcuffs on-duty firefighter for not moving truck

    Personally, I can see how both individuals handled this situation improperly. Doesn't sound to me like there was much desire for communication nor any mutual respect for the job each was tasked with doing. At every scene like this, there is a supervisor from both disciplines and they simply needed to coordinate how the situation was going to be handled.
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    Re: Cop handcuffs on-duty firefighter for not moving truck

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    Well I can imagine a case where a fire dept officer chooses to ignore the need to re open the road with his need for another long break, but since I don't know the circumstances in this case who knows, but fire dept personnel and equipment are not above the law.
    The circumstances are clearly outlined in the article and video. The fire fighters used thier fire truck to block some lanes so that they could help those that were injured along the side of the road. As they were helping the injured people the cop asked one of the fire fighters to move the truck. The fire fighter refused. The cop handcuffed him and put him in the back of the cop car. It is also standard protocol for the fire department to use their vehicles to block lanes. The statement in the video even says that this (the blocking of the road/lanes with fire trucks) will continue to happen.

    So yes...in this instance and in any other instance where there is an accident in/on any road the fire department is above the law and may block road with their vehicles. This is actually quite common all across the US and in every single town that I have ever been in. And i've lived in a LOT of towns across the US, from coast to coast.
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    Re: Cop handcuffs on-duty firefighter for not moving truck

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Personally, I can see how both individuals handled this situation improperly. Doesn't sound to me like there was much desire for communication nor any mutual respect for the job each was tasked with doing. At every scene like this, there is a supervisor from both disciplines and they simply needed to coordinate how the situation was going to be handled.
    In a emergency response situation it is usually the police who take the roll of supporting the emergency responders. In a hot "crime in process" call where the fire department may also be called out, the emergency responders need to heed what the police officers on scene judge to be the situation on the ground.

    All of this should just come down to common sense, but we all know there is not much of that around anymore.

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    Re: Cop handcuffs on-duty firefighter for not moving truck

    And in that instance the cops is wrong. I'm merely saying there could be an instance where the fire dept is wrong and the cops need to act.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    The circumstances are clearly outlined in the article and video. The fire fighters used thier fire truck to block some lanes so that they could help those that were injured along the side of the road. As they were helping the injured people the cop asked one of the fire fighters to move the truck. The fire fighter refused. The cop handcuffed him and put him in the back of the cop car. It is also standard protocol for the fire department to use their vehicles to block lanes. The statement in the video even says that this (the blocking of the road/lanes with fire trucks) will continue to happen.

    So yes...in this instance and in any other instance where there is an accident in/on any road the fire department is above the law and may block road with their vehicles. This is actually quite common all across the US and in every single town that I have ever been in. And i've lived in a LOT of towns across the US, from coast to coast.

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    Re: Cop handcuffs on-duty firefighter for not moving truck

    I would most certainly agree the police not interfere with proper fire dept duties. I just happen to have witnessed a case where the fire dept was too busy gathering a girls phone number and social status to open a road way and the officer was later chastised for not taking the necessary steps for moving them on.....**** happens.

    Quote Originally Posted by Del Zeppnile View Post
    True, and you would agree that even in a case where the police officer is viewing the circumstances one way (public safety / highway obstruction) and the fire fighter or paramedic is viewing the event with more interest in tending to a victim (no matter how much traffic is impacted), I still don't see the need for a police officer to arrest a firefighter over the difference of opinion. Unless the firefighter is actually doing something criminal, I don't see how the cop doesn't come off as seeming unreasonable?

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