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    Re: Calif. school apologizes for black history lunch menu

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Catfish, collard greens and grits. Don't forget the sweet potatoe pie and Koolade.
    Only red kool-aid though.
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    Re: Calif. school apologizes for black history lunch menu[W:250]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    In the Lifetime movie "Road to Christmas", photographer Claire (Jennifer Grey) is talking with her beautiful black model friend N'naa (Ingrid Hart). The gist of the conversation is that N'naa comments on Claire's Italian fiancé. Claire's comment was something to the effect of "Saying that Italian men are womanizers is like me saying that because you are black you must like watermelon." N'naa's response was: "I DO like watermelon. It's one of the few things I can eat."

    That, in my opinion, is the importance that should be put on this whole ridiculous political correctness nonsense. By looking for racist connotations in everything or demanding that they have to exist in something as innocuous (and good) as fried chicken and watermelon is straining at gnats to keep racism alive and well and at the forefront of everything.
    I think the problem is not so much that the food itself is racist, but that it was picked as part of a celebration of "black history" when it's more of a cultural thing. I have no doubt that the people who were in charge of the event thought "Well, it would be a good idea because everyone likes these things." However, historically it has been used to attack black culture. To suggest that's in the long distant past and irrelevant today is nonsense. Obama regularly got portrayed a chicken eating, watermelon munching nigger. It was a statement on black culture and not black history.

    Sure, with our 21st century mentality we can easily state that this keeps "racism alive" but we already know it's not a thing that is meant to die. It's not a political ideology. It's not a religious stance. It's an idea meant to distrust and attack people of other skin colors/ethnicities. Dismissing it simply because you think it perpetuates it won't stop it from existing. What can be done is have a little bit of sensitivity around certain issues. Yes, everyone likes chicken and watermelon. However, not everyone gets attacked for that.

    It's kind of the same beef the Irish have with alcohol. Everyone likes alcohol. However, not everyone has been attacked for liking it. Try calling all the Irish drunks and see whether or not you get a response. I bet you will even if everyone likes alcohol.
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    Re: Calif. school apologizes for black history lunch menu[W:250]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Huh, that's so weird. Are you sure the black people who don't like pork are really black?
    They are black, maybe black Jews.

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    Re: Calif. school apologizes for black history lunch menu[W:250]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I think the problem is not so much that the food itself is racist, but that it was picked as part of a celebration of "black history" when it's more of a cultural thing. I have no doubt that the people who were in charge of the event thought "Well, it would be a good idea because everyone likes these things." However, historically it has been used to attack black culture. To suggest that's in the long distant past and irrelevant today is nonsense. Obama regularly got portrayed a chicken eating, watermelon munching nigger. It was a statement on black culture and not black history.

    Sure, with our 21st century mentality we can easily state that this keeps "racism alive" but we already know it's not a thing that is meant to die. It's not a political ideology. It's not a religious stance. It's an idea meant to distrust and attack people of other skin colors/ethnicities. Dismissing it simply because you think it perpetuates it won't stop it from existing. What can be done is have a little bit of sensitivity around certain issues. Yes, everyone likes chicken and watermelon. However, not everyone gets attacked for that.
    Sorry. I appreciate your thoughtful take on this, but I cannot agree. People who refuse to attach political correctness concepts to fried chicken and watermelon (etc.) are NOT the ones who distrust and attack people of other skin colors. The fact that a few racists still exist who do that--and many of those are leftists who create those caricatures to accuse the right--is not an indictment of the entire American culture. And I for one think we need to stop letting those few racists control the agenda. Political correctness, for the most part, IS a political ideology and is intended to keep people divided into groups for the benefit of those who profit from that; and it also is a means of controlling the population and herding it in a particular direction.

    Any way you look at it, to be offended by fried chicken and watermelon is a form of racism. The non racists of the world would have served that fried chicken and watermelon and praised it as an ethnic delicacy for which we can thank the traditions of the black folks in the south who invented it and we are serving it in recognition of one of the contributions of black Americans. And otherwise it doesn't mean a thing.
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    Re: Calif. school apologizes for black history lunch menu[W:250]

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    We get lots of them around here, I believe they are from Chile.
    Are there a lot of blacks who live in Chile ?

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    Re: Calif. school apologizes for black history lunch menu

    Quote Originally Posted by Smartmouthwoman View Post
    Same with Chinese food.

    My neighborhood used to have lots of BBQ joints but they've been replaced by taco joints. One on every corner.
    It's called RECONQUISTA.

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    Re: Calif. school apologizes for black history lunch menu[W:250]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    In the Lifetime movie "Road to Christmas", photographer Claire (Jennifer Grey) is talking with her beautiful black model friend N'naa (Ingrid Hart). The gist of the conversation is that N'naa comments on Claire's Italian fiancé. Claire's comment was something to the effect of "Saying that Italian men are womanizers is like me saying that because you are black you must like watermelon." N'naa's response was: "I DO like watermelon. It's one of the few things I can eat."

    That, in my opinion, is the importance that should be put on this whole ridiculous political correctness nonsense. By looking for racist connotations in everything or demanding that they have to exist in something as innocuous (and good) as fried chicken and watermelon is straining at gnats to keep racism alive and well and at the forefront of everything.
    Liberals/progressives would have to much free time on their hands if there wasn't political correctness to force upon society.

    Did you know that German immigrants introduced pancakes to America and Aunt Jemima wasn't a German.

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    Re: Calif. school apologizes for black history lunch menu[W:250]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Sorry. I appreciate your thoughtful take on this, but I cannot agree. People who refuse to attach political correctness concepts to fried chicken and watermelon (etc.) are NOT the ones who distrust and attack people of other skin colors. The fact that a few racists still exist who do that--and many of those are leftists who create those caricatures to accuse the right--is not an indictment of the entire American culture. And I for one think we need to stop letting those few racists control the agenda. Political correctness, for the most part, IS a political ideology and is intended to keep people divided into groups for the benefit of those who profit from that; and it also is a means of controlling the population and herding it in a particular direction.

    Any way you look at it, to be offended by fried chicken and watermelon is a form of racism. The non racists of the world would have served that fried chicken and watermelon and praised it as an ethnic delicacy for which we can thank the traditions of the black folks in the south who invented it and we are serving it in recognition of one of the contributions of black Americans. And otherwise it doesn't mean a thing.
    We can't actually have a discussion on "racism" and "political correctness" until you stop being politically correct. Your post embodies what political correctness actually stands for which is the dismissal of discussion and criticism in favor of a standard political opinion about the nonexistence of X-topic. Remember, political correctness as a term was meant to be a criticism of Communist tendencies to outright refuse changing stances on a topic that would be in conflict with their party politics. In short, you're basically saying that the people who want to discuss the documented and relevant links between food and race are the bad guys in the story. The people who want to act as if it's not relevant and shouldn't be discussed? They are the good guys. Your post is the only politically correct thing here.

    In short, your naive views on racism as it currently exists and dismissal of its relevance is politically correct. Your complete refusal to debate it because it goes contrary to the image you're trying to craft of American society is politically correct. Racism in America, current and past has been thrown in the back of the bus in order to make room for politically correct ideas of racial integration. Past insults and current grievances have been dismissed in favor of a progressive belief that it no longer exists and it's irrelevant today. Nonsense, it existed in the past, exists in the present and will in the future and until an actual discussion is held on the matter it will continue to be a sore issue for many people of many colors and ancestries.

    To go back to the topic: What is being discussed is not that the food itself was racist - but that it was being tied to a people's history. Which then raises a few questions what kind of role did chicken and watermelon play in black history? Was it regularly used to smuggle slaves out of the South? Did it play any important role in the history of blacks? It didn't. It's a cultural food that everyone seems to like. However, as stated earlier, not everyone would be attacked for liking it. Whites don't get attacked for eating watermelon. Asians don't either. They get attacked for other issues which are respectively sensitive to their groups.

    It's not for nothing that the Irish get a little annoyed when others try and celebrate Irish history with alcohol. It's not that the celebration itself is racist. It's not mentioning that they like it that is racist. It's the natural sensitivity that comes from the way the food has been used by others when referring to the group.





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    Re: Calif. school apologizes for black history lunch menu[W:250]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    We can't actually have a discussion on "racism" and "political correctness" until you stop being politically correct. Your post embodies what political correctness actually stands for which is the dismissal of discussion and criticism in favor of a standard political opinion about the nonexistence of X-topic. Remember, political correctness as a term was meant to be a criticism of Communist tendencies to outright refuse changing stances on a topic that would be in conflict with their party politics. In short, you're basically saying that the people who want to discuss the documented and relevant links between food and race are the bad guys in the story. The people who want to act as if it's not relevant and shouldn't be discussed? They are the good guys. Your post is the only politically correct thing here.

    In short, your naive views on racism as it currently exists and dismissal of its relevance is politically correct. Your complete refusal to debate it because it goes contrary to the image you're trying to craft of American society is politically correct. Racism in America, current and past has been thrown in the back of the bus in order to make room for politically correct ideas of racial integration. Past insults and current grievances have been dismissed in favor of a progressive belief that it no longer exists and it's irrelevant today. Nonsense, it existed in the past, exists in the present and will in the future and until an actual discussion is held on the matter it will continue to be a sore issue for many people of many colors and ancestries.

    To go back to the topic: What is being discussed is not that the food itself was racist - but that it was being tied to a people's history. Which then raises a few questions what kind of role did chicken and watermelon play in black history? Was it regularly used to smuggle slaves out of the South? Did it play any important role in the history of blacks? It didn't. It's a cultural food that everyone seems to like. However, as stated earlier, not everyone would be attacked for liking it. Whites don't get attacked for eating watermelon. Asians don't either. They get attacked for other issues which are respectively sensitive to their groups.

    It's not for nothing that the Irish get a little annoyed when others try and celebrate Irish history with alcohol. It's not that the celebration itself is racist. It's not mentioning that they like it that is racist. It's the natural sensitivity that comes from the way the food has been used by others when referring to the group.





    Okay now you stopped being thoughtful and started being insulting. First, political correctness can no longer be intellectually honestly tied only to communist era history any more than fried chicken and watermelon can be intellectually honestly tied only to slavery and racism. Must we associate George Washington Carver's accomplishments to discrimination and segregation? Or are those accomplishments what a brilliant scientist managed to do in spite of extreme discrimination and segregation? Is fried chicken, cornbread, and watermelon to be forever symbols of slavery? Or are they foods developed in a culture that knew how to cook them and enjoy them?

    Which attitude is the most beneficial of all to express now, today, in this time?

    At the expense of an overwhelming amount of American blood and treasure, grief, and strife, slavery was ended in this country, then segregation, then organizational discrimination. We won that war. Now for the benefit of all, most especially black citizens, let's stop fighting it and stop using political correctness to keep it going.
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    Re: Calif. school apologizes for black history lunch menu[W:250]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    We can't actually have a discussion on "racism" and "political correctness" until you stop being politically correct.
    It's not politically correct on the right to acknowledge it. Unless it can be used as a cudgel to browbeat liberals.

    Now when I look at the situation described in the OP, I don't see blatant racism. What I see is blatant stupidity on the part of the people who came up with it and on the part of the people who approved the menu. Nobody looked at that and said "You know....ummm...." And it's not about being politically correct, it's about being receptive to other people's sensibilities and taking them into consideration. It's basically the DBAJ rule in real life.


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