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    Re: Calif. school apologizes for black history lunch menu

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Were kosher meals or green beer or whatever used in recent cultural history to disparage these ethnic groups?

    While I agree we should be as even handed as possible, we do live in a culture with an active history and cultures very rarely forget their shared history (distort, sure, but forgetting can take centuries. Heck we still have people who bitch about the civil war and political fights nearly two centuries old)
    I don't know what has been used to disparage anybody, other than those who have disrespected Jews and Asians re their cultural traditions, and I really don't care. I do know that by perpetuating it as offensive, by getting all offended, by rejecting real things because they might be associated with something negative is NOT the way to combat racism. It is by promoting all the cultural heritage of the people as a positive that we turn something negative into a positive. Soul food is something I grew up on, and because I grew up with a lot of black people in my life, it is something I can fully appreciate as a treasure that those same black people invented. I resent when it is made into something negative, and I definitely see it as something that will not reduce racist concepts or resentment, but rather feeds it when a big deal is made over something as innocuous as fried chicken, cornbread, and watermelon.
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    Re: Calif. school apologizes for black history lunch menu

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I don't know what has been used to disparage anybody, other than those who have disrespected Jews and Asians re their cultural traditions, and I really don't care. I do know that by perpetuating it as offensive, by getting all offended, by rejecting real things because they might be associated with something negative is NOT the way to combat racism. It is by promoting all the cultural heritage of the people as a positive that we turn something negative into a positive. Soul food is something I grew up on, and because I grew up with a lot of black people in my life, it is something I can fully appreciate as a treasure that those same black people invented. I resent when it is made into something negative, and I definitely see it as something that will not reduce racist concepts or resentment, but rather feeds it when a big deal is made over something as innocuous as fried chicken, cornbread, and watermelon.
    Understandable stance, but racism and racial offense is not a problem easily solved, not do I believe it's going to be one that only had a single solution.

    It's going to have to go away naturally over time and frankly some racists are so far gone. We just gotta wait for them to age out of society. It's the same for those who see racism everywhere. Their minds are set and it's going to take years and addressing younger generations to really fix.

    We have made good progress. Astounding progress, but these flare ups are simply going to happen for the next thirty years or so.

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    Re: Calif. school apologizes for black history lunch menu

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Understandable stance, but racism and racial offense is not a problem easily solved, not do I believe it's going to be one that only had a single solution.

    It's going to have to go away naturally over time and frankly some racists are so far gone. We just gotta wait for them to age out of society. It's the same for those who see racism everywhere. Their minds are set and it's going to take years and addressing younger generations to really fix.

    We have made good progress. Astounding progress, but these flare ups are simply going to happen for the next thirty years or so.
    But as Morgan Freeman said, the best thing we can do re racism now is to stop talking about it. As I previously posted, we have expended massive amounts of blood and treasure fighting it and we, as a people, not just black people, have ended slavery, ended segregation, ended organizational discrimination. We have won the war. Now we have to stop fighting it. We have to start treating skin color as of no more importance than eye color or hair color. Yes, certain individuals will include racism as an obstacle they had to overcome just as certain individuals will include gender or sexual orientation or height, weight, or physical challenges as obstacles they had to overcome.

    And we all live with stereotypes that are sometimes disparaging, sometimes teasing, sometimes just interesting. I am stereotyped because I am a conservative. Because I am a woman. Because I am a Southerner or Westerner. Or probably in a dozen other ways. So are Italians and the Irish and Asians and Catholics or pick a group. Any group. But the good intentioned stereotypes are usually harmless and merit a chuckle and maybe a nod that yeah, sometimes Italians can't talk without using their hands. etc.

    We need to allow black people to also join the human race and allow their stereotypes to merit a chuckle and maybe a nod that yeah, we do like fried chicken and cornbread. And further, if you want it done right, you better hunt up a good black cook to make it. And that kind of attitude takes all the racism right out of it. To be all insulted and offended by well intended teasing or recognition only perpetuates racism.
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    Re: Calif. school apologizes for black history lunch menu

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Everyone can drop it, people. Erod has solved racism.
    Oh, it'll never be "solved".

    It's a multi-billion-dollar industry for the left. Jesse Jackson built an empire on it.

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    Re: Calif. school apologizes for black history lunch menu

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    But as Morgan Freeman said, the best thing we can do re racism now is to stop talking about it. As I previously posted, we have expended massive amounts of blood and treasure fighting it and we, as a people, not just black people, have ended slavery, ended segregation, ended organizational discrimination. We have won the war. Now we have to stop fighting it. We have to start treating skin color as of no more importance than eye color or hair color. Yes, certain individuals will include racism as an obstacle they had to overcome just as certain individuals will include gender or sexual orientation or height, weight, or physical challenges as obstacles they had to overcome.

    And we all live with stereotypes that are sometimes disparaging, sometimes teasing, sometimes just interesting. I am stereotyped because I am a conservative. Because I am a woman. Because I am a Southerner or Westerner. Or probably in a dozen other ways. So are Italians and the Irish and Asians and Catholics or pick a group. Any group. But the good intentioned stereotypes are usually harmless and merit a chuckle and maybe a nod that yeah, sometimes Italians can't talk without using their hands. etc.

    We need to allow black people to also join the human race and allow their stereotypes to merit a chuckle and maybe a nod that yeah, we do like fried chicken and cornbread. And further, if you want it done right, you better hunt up a good black cook to make it. And that kind of attitude takes all the racism right out of it. To be all insulted and offended by well intended teasing or recognition only perpetuates racism.
    I wish it wee that simple. But the racists are going to keep talking about it no matter what the rest of us do. Until they are either completely beat down or die off to a point it's too small a minority to have any real power, we gotta keep up the fight.

    That being said, a lot people are just way too sensitive these days.

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    Re: Calif. school apologizes for black history lunch menu

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    There's a difference between watermelon an d fried chicken as "ethnic" foods, and such things as tamales, haggis, or saurkraut. The obvious difference is that the latter are actually national dishes in real countries. The so called "black" ethnic foods are associated not with a country, but with slavery. Just what is the country of the African Americans in the United States anyway? Unless they immigrated from Africa, they're Americans and have no other country in their heritage, or at least in their known heritage. That's why it wouldn't be offensive to serve a lunch of tamales and enchiladas on Cinco de Mayo, but really is offensive to serve up a stereotype on MLK day.
    So long as you perpetuate such nonsense over nothing but food, racism will thrive and multiply more each generation.

    Somehow, we've constructed society in such a way that you can tease and stereotype darn near anything and everybody.....except black people. That is the most racist thing going in America.

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    Re: Calif. school apologizes for black history lunch menu

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Actually, "Europe's perspective" would be exactly what I call Eurocentric by definition.

    The very fact that America "was discovered" is from a European point of view. Why should our history be told by Europeans?
    Well, I guess because at the time, Chief Sitting Bull Gutenberg hadn't learned how to turn smoke signals into printed text.

    Is it really so hard to understand that Europeans were recording the discovery of a land that was new to them? Why wouldn't they record it as a discovery of a new land?

    Again, that this is an issue seems to me to be more evidence of a PC bias attempting to invent history, than it is of a Eurocentric bias trying to claim ownership of it.

    I suppose the next time I discover a new place I haven't been before, I'll make sure to qualify it properly so I don't come across as trying to stake a greater claim than I deserve.

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    Re: Calif. school apologizes for black history lunch menu

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Oh, it'll never be "solved".

    It's a multi-billion-dollar industry for the left. Jesse Jackson built an empire on it.
    Yep, it's all the left's fault...


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Calif. school apologizes for black history lunch menu

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Well, I guess because at the time, Chief Sitting Bull Gutenberg hadn't learned how to turn smoke signals into printed text.

    Is it really so hard to understand that Europeans were recording the discovery of a land that was new to them? Why wouldn't they record it as a discovery of a new land?

    Again, that this is an issue seems to me to be more evidence of a PC bias attempting to invent history, than it is of a Eurocentric bias trying to claim ownership of it.

    I suppose the next time I discover a new place I haven't been before, I'll make sure to qualify it properly so I don't come across as trying to stake a greater claim than I deserve.
    Europeans were going to record it the way they recorded it. That's one thing. We don't have to keep teaching it the way people across the ocean thought of it 500 years ago.


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    Re: Calif. school apologizes for black history lunch menu

    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    Chicken and a slice of watermelon isn't racist in and of itself. But when people talk about black people loving chicken and watermelon, they're talking about a lot more than food. They're talking about a stereotype with a lot of racist history. History still embraced by some of the worst people on the internet.

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    History is important. Any Black History Month celebration that ignores the experiences and portrayals of black people in this country is shallow at best.


    If you want to acknowledge black history this month, learn it.
    Ive heard both black comedians and just regular old friends and civilians make the same lament...I hate getting pissed about the joke about fried chicken and watermelon because I LOVE fried chicken and watermelon....

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