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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    The thing is that no one is escaping any tax liability with 501c4s or 527s. 501c4s and 527s are tax exempt, but donations to them are not tax deductible. That means that no one is getting a tax deduction by contributing to political groups and political groups don't pay taxes because political groups don't financially benefit anyone.

    The only difference is that 527's have to disclose their donors, while 501c4's don't. And by statute, 501c4s are not allowed to engage in politics.

    These groups, both conservative and liberal, were trying to skirt the law. What they did was in violation of the law, or illegal... or however you want to describe it. The IRS regulations need to be rewritten, and all of these groups need to file as 527's so they can be regulated by the FEC.
    I'm familiar with the tax issues, I probably didn't word it well.

    Long before Citizen United, "social" groups were infiltrated and transformed into beds of political activism. ACORN was a great example. Should they all be reclasified? I think I've answered that.

    However, again, when Charitable Trusts become political, which they have, the more important fix comes to light. IMO one could reclasify all the groups, but leave the Trusts alone? That would be missing the objective completely.

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    Re: Email: IRSís Lerner, Treasury Department secretly drafted new rules to restrict n

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I'm familiar with the tax issues, I probably didn't word it well.

    Long before Citizen United, "social" groups were infiltrated and transformed into beds of political activism. ACORN was a great example. Should they all be reclasified? I think I've answered that.

    However, again, when Charitable Trusts become political, which they have, the more important fix comes to light. IMO one could reclasify all the groups, but leave the Trusts alone? That would be missing the objective completely.
    Yeah, that's something that we both agree on. I don't see a problem with an organization having both a 501c3 arm and a 527 arm. But the public has a right to know where the money comes from in political speech and lobbing.

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    Re: Email: IRSís Lerner, Treasury Department secretly drafted new rules to restrict n

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Why did a government organization operate like a bureaucracy?... hmmm..... tough one.
    This is corruption, not bureacracy.
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    Re: Email: IRSís Lerner, Treasury Department secretly drafted new rules to restrict n

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Yeah, that's something that we both agree on. I don't see a problem with an organization having both a 501c3 arm and a 527 arm. But the public has a right to know where the money comes from in political speech and lobbing.
    You don't have a right to know who I donate money too.
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    Re: Email: IRSís Lerner, Treasury Department secretly drafted new rules to restrict n

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You don't have a right to know who I donate money too.
    so you think you should be able to bribe a politician to abuse his authority in your favor and that said bribery should be required to remain concealed
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    It's called "Legal Campaign Financing", the give that keeps on giving "dark money" from Citizens United .
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    so you think you should be able to bribe a politician to abuse his authority in your favor and that said bribery should be required to remain concealed
    amazing
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    Re: Email: IRSís Lerner, Treasury Department secretly drafted new rules to restrict n

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    so you think you should be able to bribe a politician to abuse his authority in your favor and that said bribery should be required to remain concealed
    amazing
    What's amazing, is that you don't know the difference between bribing an elected official and making a donation to a political campaign.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Email: IRSís Lerner, Treasury Department secretly drafted new rules to restrict n

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    ie avoiding having to disclose donors. And by definition, that makes the groups ineligible for 501c4 status. The law doesn't say "devoted exclusively to charitable, educational, or recreational purposes" or to hide your donors.
    No, I was answering your question.

    I don't see how anyone can be in favor of more dark money in politics.

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    Re: Email: IRSís Lerner, Treasury Department secretly drafted new rules to restrict n

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You don't have a right to know who I donate money too.
    I absolutely have a right to know which elected officials you are donating to.

    Because they're the ones who make the rules, there's a huge conflict of interest that exists whenever you donate money to a campaign or engage in any electioneering. Disclosure is necessary to prevent corruption. If a random individual spends a few million dollars getting Joe Schmo elected, and then Joe Schmo earmarks a billiion dollar development; is it payback or good policy?

    I shouldn't know if you donate money to the NRA. But the public has a right to know when you donate money to electioneering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    I absolutely have a right to know which elected officials you are donating to.

    Because they're the ones who make the rules, there's a huge conflict of interest that exists whenever you donate money to a campaign or engage in any electioneering. Disclosure is necessary to prevent corruption. If a random individual spends a few million dollars getting Joe Schmo elected, and then Joe Schmo earmarks a billiion dollar development; is it payback or good policy?

    I shouldn't know if you donate money to the NRA. But the public has a right to know when you donate money to electioneering.
    Where is this right written down? I see the one about me being free from govt searches (privacy), but I dont see one about you having a right to know who I support for office.

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