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    Re: Email: IRSís Lerner, Treasury Department secretly drafted new rules to restrict n

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I put my trust nowhere. Americans should never trust their government! That was established at the founding. In fact, could we trust our government, we should have never needed the People's Bill of Rights. Which essentially safeguards the individual from the untrustworthy governments, overreach. I only posted what I did because I find it humorous that partisans think such cover only happens when the opposing party is in power, GAWD, this thread and sooooooooooooooooo many like it! Will it ever end???
    I got you, no it will never end. You are correct and right on the money. When my party does something it is always 100% correct and good, when the other party does the same thing, it is always 100% evil, wrong and bad. Such is the nature of our political beast today.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Email: IRSís Lerner, Treasury Department secretly drafted new rules to restrict n

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I got you, no it will never end. You are correct and right on the money. When my party does something it is always 100% correct and good, when the other party does the same thing, it is always 100% evil, wrong and bad. Such is the nature of our political beast today.
    Which is why I continue to say that the partisan is our enemy, if the people insisted, I mean to say that if people were Americans first and democrats or republicans second, and the party in power was held accountable by all, then we would have progress. And I don't mean that the parties need to loose their individual ideologies. I'm referring to presidents constant attempts to go around congress, loop hole our constitution, cover up mistake and wrong doing. If we could all agree to that, even when it's our man in power, we could go forward with far less corruption.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Email: IRSís Lerner, Treasury Department secretly drafted new rules to restrict n

    When Obama was being interviewed by O'Reilly, and was asked about this, what did he say? "Not one smidgin of corruption"?

    Looks like Obama is doing what Obama does: Lie to the people in a bold and bald faced manner.

    (*Yawn*) Same old ****, different day.

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    Re: Email: IRSís Lerner, Treasury Department secretly drafted new rules to restrict n

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Oops! No wonder Lois took the 5th. She's genuinely worried about her ass going to prison.
    You do realize that these 501(c)(4) groups are operating illegally in an attempt to bypass the public disclosure requirements of PACs; an abuse made possible with the Citizens United ruling. By law, theses groups must operate exclusively for the purpose of social welfare. This was changed in the 50's by the IRS to predominantly.

    Conservative groups were not targeted at a higher rate than any other political group. Conservative groups applied at a rate that was roughly 5x that of liberal groups, even though only about 4x as many were investigated. The real scandal is that so many were approved.

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    Re: Email: IRSís Lerner, Treasury Department secretly drafted new rules to restrict n

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    When Obama was being interviewed by O'Reilly, and was asked about this, what did he say? "Not one smidgin of corruption"?

    Looks like Obama is doing what Obama does: Lie to the people in a bold and bald faced manner.

    (*Yawn*) Same old ****, different day.
    It looks like Obama is doing what presidents do, lie because their partisan base allows them to.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Email: IRSís Lerner, Treasury Department secretly drafted new rules to restrict n

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Which is why I continue to say that the partisan is our enemy, if the people insisted, I mean to say that if people were Americans first and democrats or republicans second, and the party in power was held accountable by all, then we would have progress. And I don't mean that the parties need to loose their individual ideologies. I'm referring to presidents constant attempts to go around congress, loop hole our constitution, cover up mistake and wrong doing. If we could all agree to that, even when it's our man in power, we could go forward with far less corruption.
    A long time ago someone said that we really have only one political party, but it has two wings. The Republican wing and the Democratic wing. If ones looks behind the scenes to those huge big moneyed folks who donate their millions to the two parties, quite a lot of them donate to both parties. I am sure they are not doing this out of civic pride. Some of the companies that has done this in the past are Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup, UBS AG, Morgan Stanley, Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch and more are all on my list from the 2008 campaign as donating to both McCain and Obama. I haven't found an updated list for 2012 yet.

    I think when these moneyed people donate their millions, their tens of millions to the political parties they are in essence buying them. Both parties owe their heart and soul to these people, not to the electorate or America. We voters are nothing but a necessary evil to them, so we have been propagandized into believing there are huge differences between the two parties when in reality there is not. If you take a good look at how Bush II governed and how Obama has governed, they are just about the same. Only the rhetoric, the slogans and talking points are polar opposites.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Email: IRSís Lerner, Treasury Department secretly drafted new rules to restrict n

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    A long time ago someone said that we really have only one political party, but it has two wings. The Republican wing and the Democratic wing. If ones looks behind the scenes to those huge big moneyed folks who donate their millions to the two parties, quite a lot of them donate to both parties. I am sure they are not doing this out of civic pride. Some of the companies that has done this in the past are Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup, UBS AG, Morgan Stanley, Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch and more are all on my list from the 2008 campaign as donating to both McCain and Obama. I haven't found an updated list for 2012 yet.

    I think when these moneyed people donate their millions, their tens of millions to the political parties they are in essence buying them. Both parties owe their heart and soul to these people, not to the electorate or America. We voters are nothing but a necessary evil to them, so we have been propagandized into believing there are huge differences between the two parties when in reality there is not. If you take a good look at how Bush II governed and how Obama has governed, they are just about the same. Only the rhetoric, the slogans and talking points are polar opposites.
    Spot on brother!!! If only Americans could see that collectively, we'd get their attention in a hurry. You know most people disagree with you, on that, right?
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    Re: Email: IRSís Lerner, Treasury Department secretly drafted new rules to restrict n

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    You do realize that these 501(c)(4) groups are operating illegally in an attempt to bypass the public disclosure requirements of PACs; an abuse made possible with the Citizens United ruling. By law, theses groups must operate exclusively for the purpose of social welfare. This was changed in the 50's by the IRS to predominantly.

    Conservative groups were not targeted at a higher rate than any other political group. Conservative groups applied at a rate that was roughly 5x that of liberal groups, even though only about 4x as many were investigated. The real scandal is that so many were approved.
    Really? Wow. And how is it that these groups have been allowed to operated illegally all this time. Given such "revelations" I'd think they would certainly have been raided by now.

    Is it possible you could be mistaken?

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    Re: Email: IRSís Lerner, Treasury Department secretly drafted new rules to restrict n

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    When Obama was being interviewed by O'Reilly, and was asked about this, what did he say? "Not one smidgin of corruption"?

    Looks like Obama is doing what Obama does: Lie to the people in a bold and bald faced manner.

    (*Yawn*) Same old ****, different day.
    all you need to do to substantiate your post is to show us where any smidgen of corruption was found
    FBI says none exists
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    Re: Email: IRSís Lerner, Treasury Department secretly drafted new rules to restrict n

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Spot on brother!!! If only Americans could see that collectively, we'd get their attention in a hurry. You know most people disagree with you, on that, right?
    Oh yeah, not a problem. Those are the ones unable to remove their very deep red or blue colored glasses. They are very much like baseball fans who cheer their favorite team. Except they cheer the R and the D and do not care one iota what is happening behind the scenes, where they get their money from, whom they owe for that money. I do not think they even care how they govern or do as long as it is their party and not the other. I use to be that way. But working for Perot back in the 90's, he taught me how to step back, put cotton in my ears to stop all the rhetoric, slogans, talking points each party throws at you, to remove those deep red or blue colored glasses and only look at how they govern. What I have seen is not much difference. Both parties govern very much similar.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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