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    Law Enforcement Is Not About Generating Revenue: Speed Trap And Booking Fee Edition

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    "Martin claims he was just trying to make the road "safer." Arguably, he was. Drivers were slowing down after reading his sign (and waving to the cop in the unmarked SUV). In that way, his ends were no different than the cop's: discourage speeding. But the cop arresting Martin felt the sign "interfered with enforcement duties." But unless Mrozinski had a quota to fill -- something that has been ruled illegal nearly everywhere -- the lack of speeders meant there was nothing to enforce."

    Here how you stop Police Quotas. Make it law that they can not write more than 15 tickets a week, every one else they pull over gets a warning. Any more and the cop will be fined.

    How do you think it should be taken care of?
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    Re: Law Enforcement Is Not About Generating Revenue: Speed Trap And Booking Fee Editi

    I think quotas for law enforcement is an absolutely horrendous concept, but I don't think we should put an upper limit on law enforcement. There just needs to be better oversight and regulation, and their funding should not be tied to how many tickets they issue. The money received from tickets should go into a completely separate government budget.
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    Re: Law Enforcement Is Not About Generating Revenue: Speed Trap And Booking Fee Editi

    Quote Originally Posted by The General View Post
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    "Martin claims he was just trying to make the road "safer." Arguably, he was. Drivers were slowing down after reading his sign (and waving to the cop in the unmarked SUV). In that way, his ends were no different than the cop's: discourage speeding. But the cop arresting Martin felt the sign "interfered with enforcement duties." But unless Mrozinski had a quota to fill -- something that has been ruled illegal nearly everywhere -- the lack of speeders meant there was nothing to enforce."

    Here how you stop Police Quotas. Make it law that they can not write more than 15 tickets a week, every one else they pull over gets a warning. Any more and the cop will be fined.

    How do you think it should be taken care of?
    Quotas ARE a horrendous concept. I'd love to see the cops pull over EVERY SINGLE SPEEDER on the road and give them a ticket for everything they deserve. Maybe then we'll get some more sensible drivers on the road because everyone else's licence will be suspended for multiple tickets.

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    Re: Law Enforcement Is Not About Generating Revenue: Speed Trap And Booking Fee Editi

    I've seen it now multiple times they're the ****ers speeding on the highway, limit around here on Highway is 110 in most places.

    I'm just over that, they'll pass me at a decent pace of probably 120 or just above.

    One time I was going down a single lane, cop behind me, tailgating my ass pretty hard because I'm sticking to speed limit of 50... ****er throws on his lights so he can pass me, saw him 1 mile up the road just parking up to set up a speed trap.

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    Re: Law Enforcement Is Not About Generating Revenue: Speed Trap And Booking Fee Editi

    Quotas are a joke. Pull all speeders. But I do have an issue with something else.

    School zones.

    There is a local town that has a major highway run through it. They put a school zone on this road. But the school is 2 blocks away. About 250 yards away. And I've never once seen a kid cross that road.

    Talk about quotas? That right there is a travesty.
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    Re: Law Enforcement Is Not About Generating Revenue: Speed Trap And Booking Fee Editi

    I hate the road police in my country.

    You can find some of the sneaky bastards lying in the bushes about 20-40m from the city exit when drivers usually put on the gas to go faster so that you don't drive with 50km/h all the way OUT of the city, you accelerate before it. And 20-30m before the exit, they catch you with 55km/h and bam, speed ticket. Bloody assholes.

    Now I can say, that there are situations where this stuff is useful. I read a report of some country.. maybe Austria (could be another country)?? where speeding cameras are placed at dangerous corners or road places where traditionally, there were a lot of accidents. Well ever since they put the cameras there AND a notice on the side of the road that there is a speeding camera at X meters in front, people slowed down and the number of accidents decreased dramatically. This was because people who were confident drivers would ignore safety regulations because you know... why drive with 50km/h or 40km/h whenever it says... you know you can push the limit a bit... but they're afraid of the speed ticket so it got enforced and things got better.

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    Re: Law Enforcement Is Not About Generating Revenue: Speed Trap And Booking Fee Editi

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I think quotas for law enforcement is an absolutely horrendous concept, but I don't think we should put an upper limit on law enforcement. There just needs to be better oversight and regulation, and their funding should not be tied to how many tickets they issue. The money received from tickets should go into a completely separate government budget.
    My thinking behind the cap is you can't stop the corruption but you can limit it.

    As for your Idea how about we send the funds to the Parks department or some other goverment agency that directly help us. Or why send it to the goverment at all why not send the money to a charity of some kind the question is which one. (Not the Red Cross they are corrupt).
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    Re: Law Enforcement Is Not About Generating Revenue: Speed Trap And Booking Fee Editi

    Quote Originally Posted by The General View Post
    why not send the money to a charity of some kind the question is which one
    Fantastic idea.

    All speed tickets go to a fund for helping victims of traffic accidents and drunk drivers.

    Problem solved.

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    Re: Law Enforcement Is Not About Generating Revenue: Speed Trap And Booking Fee Editi

    Quote Originally Posted by The General View Post
    My thinking behind the cap is you can't stop the corruption but you can limit it.

    As for your Idea how about we send the funds to the Parks department or some other goverment agency that directly help us. Or why send it to the goverment at all why not send the money to a charity of some kind the question is which one. (Not the Red Cross they are corrupt).
    I don't think there should be quotas, but at the same time why should we limit officers for pulling over people BREAKING THE LAW?

    And yes, I disagree with them arresting the guy with the sign.

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    Re: Law Enforcement Is Not About Generating Revenue: Speed Trap And Booking Fee Editi

    Quote Originally Posted by The General View Post
    Law Enforcement Is Not About Generating Revenue: Speed Trap And Booking Fee Edition | Techdirt

    "Martin claims he was just trying to make the road "safer." Arguably, he was. Drivers were slowing down after reading his sign (and waving to the cop in the unmarked SUV). In that way, his ends were no different than the cop's: discourage speeding. But the cop arresting Martin felt the sign "interfered with enforcement duties." But unless Mrozinski had a quota to fill -- something that has been ruled illegal nearly everywhere -- the lack of speeders meant there was nothing to enforce." Here how you stop Police Quotas. Make it law that they can not write more than 15 tickets a week, every one else they pull over gets a warning. Any more and the cop will be fined. How do you think it should be taken care of?
    I want to say this came in here before, and if not this exact incident, one REEEEAAAAL damn close. The charge was illegal stop in the median, not interference.

    Limited the number of tickets is a bad precedent, it just means I can speed my ass off toward the end of the month. Limiting the ability of LE to enforce safety measures seems counter productive, after all speeding is a violation.

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