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    Re: Law Enforcement Is Not About Generating Revenue: Speed Trap And Booking Fee Editi

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Quotas ARE a horrendous concept. I'd love to see the cops pull over EVERY SINGLE SPEEDER on the road and give them a ticket for everything they deserve. Maybe then we'll get some more sensible drivers on the road because everyone else's licence will be suspended for multiple tickets.
    Then again the number of suspended drivers will go up and if you don't have many cop friends let me inform you, a lack of valid license doesn't stop 'bad drivers' from driving.

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    Re: Law Enforcement Is Not About Generating Revenue: Speed Trap And Booking Fee Editi

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Quotas ARE a horrendous concept. I'd love to see the cops pull over EVERY SINGLE SPEEDER on the road and give them a ticket for everything they deserve. Maybe then we'll get some more sensible drivers on the road because everyone else's licence will be suspended for multiple tickets.
    Let me guess you are a perfect driver?

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    Re: Law Enforcement Is Not About Generating Revenue: Speed Trap And Booking Fee Editi

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I want to say this came in here before, and if not this exact incident, one REEEEAAAAL damn close. The charge was illegal stop in the median, not interference.

    Limited the number of tickets is a bad precedent, it just means I can speed my ass off toward the end of the month. Limiting the ability of LE to enforce safety measures seems counter productive, after all speeding is a violation.
    Good point but I am still counting on their greed to ticket people who generate big tickets, and for them to wait for that to happen. Basically if they can't do quantity do they will do quality. But this can not be done if we go with RabidAlpaca's idea.

    I am assuming the more they brake the speed limit by the more they fine. I don't know how speeding tickets work. Is it just a stander amount each time or was I correct? I don't care to look it up my self (I don't drive, I take a bus)
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    Re: Law Enforcement Is Not About Generating Revenue: Speed Trap And Booking Fee Editi

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Then again the number of suspended drivers will go up and if you don't have many cop friends let me inform you, a lack of valid license doesn't stop 'bad drivers' from driving.
    Under the plan, anyone caught driving with a suspended license would have their vehicle permanently taken by the police and have no chance of ever getting their license back.


    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Let me guess you are a perfect driver?
    Perfect, NO. However in almost 23 years of driving, I have never gotten a moving violation, and I've been in three accidents, none of which were my fault. Two parking tickets, one of which was BS; but both of which were paid within 24 hours of being issued. That's the grand total of my driving issues.

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    Re: Law Enforcement Is Not About Generating Revenue: Speed Trap And Booking Fee Editi

    Quote Originally Posted by The General View Post
    Good point but I am still counting on their greed to ticket people who generate big tickets, and for them to wait for that to happen. Basically if they can't do quantity do they will do quality. But this can not be done if we go with RabidAlpaca's idea. I am assuming the more they brake the speed limit by the more they fine. I don't know how speeding tickets work. Is it just a stander amount each time or was I correct? I don't care to look it up my self (I don't drive, I take a bus)
    Usually a cop gives 5 over the speed limit except in school zones. Then they often 'write down' the ticket to less than 10 over the speed limit, over that and the fines can climb very high. If you look at it this way- most people are 'saving' 10 minutes of travel time at the VERY MOST, if they speed over 10mph above the posted speed limit. Makes no real sense.

    Very little of the ticket goes to the LE office, most goes to the civil authority- courts and the like. The cop has little incentive to write a ticket in most towns. Here in Oklahoma some very small towns use speed traps to generate money from those outside the county, but that would be the exception compared to the number of tickets written.

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    Re: Law Enforcement Is Not About Generating Revenue: Speed Trap And Booking Fee Editi

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Under the plan, anyone caught driving with a suspended license would have their vehicle permanently taken by the police and have no chance of ever getting their license back.
    While you are DAMN fortunate to live in so tolerant a nation such as we have here, we all know you have little use for the Constitution.

    Few would share your deep love of confiscation on so small an issue- the invalid license driver causing injury or death is a different matter but a simple driving on a suspended- not so much. As far as a suspended driver driving- again you are clueless on just how many are doing just that, making the loss permanent is of little deterrence.

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    Re: Law Enforcement Is Not About Generating Revenue: Speed Trap And Booking Fee Editi

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    While you are DAMN fortunate to live in so tolerant a nation such as we have here, we all know you have little use for the Constitution.

    Few would share your deep love of confiscation on so small an issue- the invalid license driver causing injury or death is a different matter but a simple driving on a suspended- not so much. As far as a suspended driver driving- again you are clueless on just how many are doing just that, making the loss permanent is of little deterrence.
    I have almost no effective use for the US Constitution and haven't throughout my life.

    I don't give a **** who does or doesn't agree with me on this. I'm simply looking at it as a means to stop the problem. I am well aware of how many unlicensed drivers are out there. I just don't believe that many of them will be able to buy or borrow enough vehicles to constantly get themselves to work, as they get confiscated. Who will be stupid enough to loan a vehicle out to an unlicensed driver knowing that if they're stopped, the car is gone forever (even if the loan payments aren't)?

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    Re: Law Enforcement Is Not About Generating Revenue: Speed Trap And Booking Fee Editi

    Here in san diego, there's lots of people pulled over about the 25th of the month. Every month like clockwork.
    Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
    The Psychology of Persuasion

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    Re: Law Enforcement Is Not About Generating Revenue: Speed Trap And Booking Fee Editi

    Quote Originally Posted by The General View Post
    "Martin claims he was just trying to make the road "safer." Arguably, he was.
    He's a liar. If he was achieving the same thing as the police officer down the road would, there was no point of him being there. What he was trying to do was prevent speeding drivers from being fined. He's perfectly entitled to argue against that on whatever basis but he can't deny it's his intention.

    The problem is that the act of being caught and fined is likely to act as a more significant deterrent than just spotting some random guy with a sign on the road and slowing down. That is, after all, the original point of legal fines (that they may have become fund-raising in some cases is a separate issue). There is a difference between wanting to make the road safer and wanting dangerous drivers to avoid punishment.

    It is interesting that I can't think of any other crimes where warning the criminal that the police are just around the corner wouldn't be considered wrong but actually socially acceptable.

    Quote Originally Posted by The General View Post
    Here how you stop Police Quotas.
    How about all of the drivers in the area conspire not to break any traffic laws for an entire month. That'd show 'em!

    Quote Originally Posted by The General View Post
    How do you think it should be taken care of?
    Seriously? Proper funding of law enforcement via direct taxation and all money from fines to go in to some separate, independent pot, maybe something charitable. People choosing not to break the law in the first place would help too.

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    Re: Law Enforcement Is Not About Generating Revenue: Speed Trap And Booking Fee Editi

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I have almost no effective use for the US Constitution and haven't throughout my life. I don't give a **** who does or doesn't agree with me on this. I'm simply looking at it as a means to stop the problem. I am well aware of how many unlicensed drivers are out there. I just don't believe that many of them will be able to buy or borrow enough vehicles to constantly get themselves to work, as they get confiscated. Who will be stupid enough to loan a vehicle out to an unlicensed driver knowing that if they're stopped, the car is gone forever (even if the loan payments aren't)?
    The first part of your post is just the same old somewhat tired declaration of Tigger we all know by heart.

    The second shows you don't understand how the world outside your fortress of solitude works. Not even you can tell as a vehicle goes by if the driver has a valid license. Only after a traffic stop can the cop tell if the driver is operating the vehicle legally.

    Your confiscation idea is a dead issue in the real world as no one, liberal or Con alike, wants the government having that much power- but fear not, the law does punish folks who operate a motor vehicle with a suspended or no license. They can go to jail after routine traffic stops or if they cause injury.

    There are many means to stop a problem- useful, legal ones are of course preferred. ones that fit the magnitude of the crime are this current century's thinking.

    As for the Constitution and what little use you have for it.... I'm betting you would be one of the first to scream for it's protection if 'they' came after you. And as we have had this conversation before- you can save the 'cold dead hands' thing.... again we are all very aware of what you think you'd do. broadsword and all...

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