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Death Sentence: 'Alarming' number of inmates dying in local US jails

TheDemSocialist said:
Apparently you didnt read my tumblr post then when it came to what my blog is all about, "history and especially Soviet history and the history of communism. ". Giving a descprition about a topic or being intersted about a topic does not glorify it. If you find any of my posts about the USSR or the old Eastern Bloc you will find my posts being one of the fist to speak out against it.. Or the subject about the ELN you will find me also speaking in favor of peace talks when it comes to Colombian Guerilla Warfare.. If you knew me personally you would know i am a "flag collector" and one of my favorite flags i own is the old USSR flag and i dont hang it because i love the USSR's political system its because i love the history and love that history of the country. But if you want to talk about Che Guevar and Cuba's revolutionary trials (which i think your getting at) then i would welcome you to come to this thread and tag me in it: http://www.debatepolitics.com/latin-america/72631-real-che-guevara-82.html




This isnt about capitalism or socialism. This is about a justice system. Capitalism and socialism are both economic systems...


I dont justify totalitarianism!!! If you ranked me on a political spectrum im very far from authoritarianism.


Dear god... Learn what an economic system is versus a social system is...
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Here's the problem buddy, you cannot have a Socialist Economic system without Government control. It just doesn't work. Sorry.
 
Grant said:
Perhaps you don't understand what 'socialism' actually means. It's better to admit being ignorant of a fact than to understand what it means and stupidly support it anyway.
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:lamo
I would ask you to tell me what it means but basing on the fact that you are confusing a social governing system with an economic system, i dont think i need to go into any more detail with that, especially when the topic of thist thread has nothing to do with economics...
 
MrVicchio said:
Here's the problem buddy, you cannot have a Socialist Economic system without Government control. It just doesn't work. Sorry.
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Then i ask you to read anything by a non Marxist-Leninist author....
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Please go on and explain...
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Explain what? You call yourself a 'socialist' don't you? Are you familiar with socialisms history?

You said
If you knew me personally you would know i am a "flag collector" and one of my favorite flags i own is the old USSR flag and i dont hang it because i love the USSR's political system its because i love the history and love that history of the country.
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Are you familiar with Russian history during the period when the socialists were in power?
 
mrvicchio said:
furthermore i went to your tumbler site, you've got ole "che" up. Real nice guy that one, how many people did he slaughter? My wife was wondering why i had a pick of the ddr east german flag on my screen, i showed her this thread and agreed with my first post. A "pro assad" little blurb and of course my personal favorite, the 1917 soviet central committee whose who picture wall. I like on page two the nod to the eln... That's a real peace loving group. A little slobbering over that fool hugo chavez... I could go on, but it's obvious you really don't care if a government kills it's people, you just care if it's a "capitalist" government doing the killing. And even then, you only care if it can push your dreams of a socialist utopia.

Frankly, you're the kind of person i despise most in this world. My wife grew up in germany, she tells harrowing tales of crossing check point charlie with some goon with an ak pointed at the car. They crossed to do some sight seeing/shopping in east berlin. She said it was scary how horrific conditions were over there. How scared, how down trodden the people were. How bleak it was.

You need perspective.

Is america perfect? Nope. Is capitalism a "dog eat dog" highly competitive system where there are winners and losers? Yep. But the real goal of capitalism is to allow all people the opportunity to succeed, to achieve. To fail. To get back up again. It's not perfect, but i'll be damned if i live under the tyranny of socialist thugs.

You need to study what your ideological dreams really become in reality. You need to understand that what you seem to want so badly is a death sentence. Check out the "cultural revolution" in china under mao. You'd be one of those people up against the wall.

That computer your using, the isp you are on, the car you drive, the tv you watch? None of that would exist in your paradise. You'd go to work, meet your quota and stand in a line to get the food the government decides you can have. Venezuela, an oil rich country has a toilet paper shortage. Stop for a minute and think about that. They lack toilet paper. In a country that should be showered in wealth.

I pity you, but i think people like you are dangerous, because allowed to flourish you would condemn us all to hell.
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excellent
 
TheDemSocialist said:
:lamo
I would ask you to tell me what it means but basing on the fact that you are confusing a social governing system with an economic system, i dont think i need to go into any more detail with that, especially when the topic of thist thread has nothing to do with economics...
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No, but it has a great deal to do with Socialists being critical of the US 'ministry of Justice" without ever having a real alternative which a free people might accept..
 
Grant said:
Explain what? You call yourself a 'socialist' don't you? Are you familiar with socialisms history?

You said Are you familiar with Russian history during the period when the socialists were in power?
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I'm I aware of the history? Well yes i am. Does that mean i agree how history played out in that country? No. Whats your point?
 
Grant said:
No, but it has a great deal to do with Socialists being critical of the US 'ministry of Justice" without ever having a real alternative which a free people might accept..
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So speaking out against people dying in jail when it could of been prevented means what?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
I'm I aware of the history? Well yes i am. Does that mean i agree how history played out in that country? No. Whats your point?
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You said "i love the history and love that history of the country".

Which part of the Communist decades did you love best?
 
MrVicchio said:
Name a few... I read lots of stuff. I read Marx and gagged.
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Michael Harrington, Eugene V Debs, Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn, Leon Trotsky, Cornel West, Herbert Marcuse, Rosa Luxembourg, Karl Hess, Slavoj Zizek...
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Michael Harrington, Eugene V Debs, Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn, Leon Trotsky, Cornel West, Herbert Marcuse, Rosa Luxembourg, Karl Hess, Slavoj Zizek...
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Which of this lot do you admire most? How many existing and functioning communities have they inspired so far?
 
Grant said:
You said "i love the history and love that history of the country".

Which part of the Communist decades did you love best?
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Probably personally anywhere when it comes to the USSR the years from 1917-1960's
when it comes to PRC (China) the years 49- the death of Mao
Eastern bloc especially DDR anytime i have a interest in the DDR
Im also a personal fan of Tito's history of Yugoslavia especially how he tried to integrate worker self management into the economy.
 
Grant said:
Which ones could have been prevented?
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This one specifically mentioned how the prison guards literally didnt do anything but ignore the woman dying in the cell and ignoring the cries from help...
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Michael Harrington, Eugene V Debs, Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn, Leon Trotsky, Cornel West, Herbert Marcuse, Rosa Luxembourg, Karl Hess, Slavoj Zizek...
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Noam Chomsky? Leon Trotsky? Cornel West? I've read enough from each of them to say, yeah no.

Each of the above believes in something that cannot exist. Each holds beliefs that cannot match the human experience.
 
 
MrVicchio said:
Noam Chomsky? Leon Trotsky? Cornel West? I've read enough from each of them to say, yeah no.

Each of the above believes in something that cannot exist. Each holds beliefs that cannot match the human experience.
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Really? Then please go ahead and explain.. I mean it seems to me you believed there was no such thing a socialist beliefs beyond Marxism-Leninism but now since i dropped names that goes beyond that belief you seem to be a expert of socialism beyond Marxism-Leninism...
 
Such tragedy to inmates in jail! I am sure that the Russian prison's are a lot more humane.

Look at the source! Look who is talking?!
 
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