Video showing cop forcibly cutting woman's hair weave makes waves

MaggieD said:

She wasn't in prison. She was in jail. That's for #1.

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And?
What difference do you think that makes?
Jails are more tightly controlled environments than most prisons are. They have to be.

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Let's suppose that weaves have to be removed for safety concerns.
How do you folks think it would be accomplished from a person who would not cooperate?
Forget I asked.

You all know the answer is; By force.

Excon said:

And?
What difference do you think that makes?
Jails are more tightly controlled environments than most prisons are. They have to be.

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Let's suppose that weaves have to be removed for safety concerns.
How do you folks think it would be accomplished from a person who would not cooperate?
Forget I asked.

You all know the answer is; By force.

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Since the officer's conduct was reported by the other officers involved, I think your "let's assume" is leaking like a sieve.

MaggieD said:

Since the officer's conduct was reported by the other officers involved, I think your "let's assume" is leaking like a sieve.

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I think you are referring to that which I wasn't and didn't notice the line separating my comment to you, from the rest of which I said.

I spoke directly to a situation where they had to be removed for safety concerns. Not specifically this instance.
In such a non-cooperative situation, they would be removed by force. Do you doubt that?

Crosscheck said:

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Finally a Police Commissioner has came out and called a stop to this BS that has been running rampantly across the USA with rogue cops. Support your local police as they deal with people many wouldn't want to but they must be better than the criminal they are arresting.

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I'm always skeptical of such responses when they come at the heals of a bunch of outraged people on the internet.

DiAnna said:

Ummm, sorry, that seems utterly excessive and beyond the pale to me. When you come down to it, even the clothes on their back "could be used" to strangle someone or commit suicide. Inmates are not forced to run around naked.

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No, but anything easily usable in a such a manner is removed from their possession, even shoelaces. Things like cloths and bedding can't be removed due to concerns about humane treatment, anything else gets confiscated

They didn't just cut her "weaves" but also her hair it was tied to. She wasn't in prison - although paranoid police junkies who hope the police totally crush everyone so then such paranoid people living in terror think they might be safer will incessantly post that lie. Nor had she been found guilty of anything.

Who should be going absolutely ballistic and demand changes in laws maybe even more than those those who give a damn about civil and human rights? TAXPAYERS! Who REALLY should be throwing a fit are TAXPAYERS!

What the hell do those jailers care? They have no risk whatsoever. They an abuse anyone and it doesn't cost them a dime. MAYBE lose a really crappy job they'll probably quit soon anyway. The government has to pay - meaning we the people pay for that bully **** crap.

The law needs to change so people in the capacity of police officers can not hide from CIVIL liabilities NOR can the government cover their ass - meaning they pay for their OWN lawyer and they pay court costs and they pay judgments. Put the officer's ass on the line - economically. Make THEM pay, not us.

As for those who defend and praise such actions, they reek of personal fear and paranoia - wanting the police to control everyone even again anything but total verbal submissive - because they are so terrified in life they are afraid of someone even saying an unkind word to them.

Since I've been in "civilized" typical society, I am struck by some things. Such as the levels of total apathy towards others and intolerance of those who aren't. Wanting the government to watch and judge everything everyone does micro second by micro second. Government is their GOD and the billion pages of laws are edicts of God for which anyone who does not follow 100% of them should be totally destroyed - literally imprisoned for life or beaten to death. Or even just not acting and speaking totally submissive.

The wanting to be totally submissive sheep. But also at the extreme levels of terror and fear many - if not most - people live in. And for this, among other things, they want all liberty and freedom taken away - basically to order everyone stay in their homes - and if they leave to keep their eyes down, avoid everyone and say nothing to anyone.

MaggieD said:

She wasn't in prison. She was in jail. That's for #1.

When did you start advocating lack of due process?

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1) Jail, prison...whatever...you splitting hairs.

2) Jails have rules and the number one rule is that the gaurds are in charge. If ol' girl's wig has to go, then it has to go.

I don't see anything to suggest that she was injured, or even brutilized. It's not like three dude had her on the floor, with a foot on her neck.

What I do see, is her resisting.

MaggieD said:

Since the officer's conduct was reported by the other officers involved, I think your "let's assume" is leaking like a sieve.

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How come the other officers didn't intervene?

Dr. Chuckles said:

No, but anything easily usable in a such a manner is removed from their possession, even shoelaces. Things like cloths and bedding can't be removed due to concerns about humane treatment, anything else gets confiscated

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Apparently ripping a person's hair out is not standard procedure, and the officer who did so has already been fired. Seriously, would a women who had a waist-length braid or ponytail have had 10 years growth of her own hair lopped off because "she could strangle someone with it"? Of course not. This has already been denounced as totally against the jail's protocol, the corrections officer fired, so continuing to excuse or explain or defend what was done is pretty much moot at this point.

apdst said:

1) Jail, prison...whatever...you splitting hairs.

2) Jails have rules and the number one rule is that the gaurds are in charge. If ol' girl's wig has to go, then it has to go.

I don't see anything to suggest that she was injured, or even brutilized. It's not like three dude had her on the floor, with a foot on her neck.

What I do see, is her resisting.

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There is an incredible amount of fear in your message.

BTW, what wig are talking about? The video doesn't show any wig being removed. Is there some other information about a "wig?"

Some people would see being strapped into a hair and their hair cut off as being brutalized. I do.

DiAnna said:

Apparently ripping a person's hair out is not standard procedure, and the officer who did so has already been fired. Seriously, would a women who had a waist-length braid or ponytail have had 10 years growth of her own hair lopped off because "she could strangle someone with it"? Of course not. This has already been denounced as totally against the jail's protocol, the corrections officer fired, so continuing to excuse or explain or defend what was done is pretty much moot at this point.

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I'm just pointing out it makes sense when considering other prison policies. And as for the official response to the video, like I said, I always have my doubts when it comes in return to a bunch of people being publicly outraged.

DiAnna said:

Apparently ripping a person's hair out is not standard procedure, and the officer who did so has already been fired. Seriously, would a women who had a waist-length braid or ponytail have had 10 years growth of her own hair lopped off because "she could strangle someone with it"? Of course not. This has already been denounced as totally against the jail's protocol, the corrections officer fired, so continuing to excuse or explain or defend what was done is pretty much moot at this point.

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I'm just pointing out it makes sense when considering other prison policies. And as for the official response to the video, like I said, I always have my doubts when it comes in return to a bunch of people being publicly outraged.

apdst said:

If you don't like the way you get treated in prison, don't break the law and get sent to prison.

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That line of reasoning could be used to excuse quite literally any abuse of inmates imaginable.

I am as sick of abuse of power police stories or Youtube police brutality as I am the morons who engage in apologetics for them.

Something has to give...

DiAnna said:

Apparently ripping a person's hair out is not standard procedure, and the officer who did so has already been fired. Seriously, would a women who had a waist-length braid or ponytail have had 10 years growth of her own hair lopped off because "she could strangle someone with it"? Of course not. This has already been denounced as totally against the jail's protocol, the corrections officer fired, so continuing to excuse or explain or defend what was done is pretty much moot at this point.

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The arguement to use her hair to strangle one is total paranoinia hogwash. Good grief, if I am a woman in jail and I want to strangle someone do I chew my own hair to remove it (as we don't have scissors in jail). Or do I simply remove my bra and wrap it around someone's neck? Then after strangling them I simply put my bra back on.

Bras should be illegal in jail and prison.

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Still not sure how a weave is structurally different from strips of sheet that anyone can tear off with their teeth.

Probably just hack dominance BS.

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Or how it's different from a woman who has natural long hair!

Mitt Romney approves!

a351 said:

That line of reasoning could be used to excuse quite literally any abuse of inmates imaginable.

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Only if you think that prison should be run like 4-H camp.

joko104 said:

There is an incredible amount of fear in your message.

BTW, what wig are talking about? The video doesn't show any wig being removed. Is there some other information about a "wig?"

Some people would see being strapped into a hair and their hair cut off as being brutalized. I do.

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Ol girls's "weave" was cut off. A weave is a kind of a wig. Her real hair wasn't what was cut off.

In some places a random person could call and say your wife is crazy. Cops would then get to finger her vagina for suicide risk if some dip**** mistakes anything for anything.

Crosscheck said:

The arguement to use her hair to strangle one is total paranoinia hogwash.

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Are you at all knowledgable on the subject? You would be amazed at what gets used as weapons within a prison environment

Or do I simply remove my bra and wrap it around someone's neck? Then after strangling them I simply put my bra back on. Bras should be illegal in jail and prison.

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That's probably why they issue oversized sport-bras.

apdst said:

1) You know that, how?

2) Even so, that'll teach home girl to keep her ********er closed and do as she's told; afterall, she's in prison!

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Yeah, no tough talk about supposed rights and such. Once the cops have you, forget about your rights. This is a police state after all.

This is just one more example of the increasing militarization of police in the United States. Serve and protect is long gone. Now they are trained to wage war on the citizens of this country. This is an awful trend and we should all oppose it. It hurts everyone and serves no one. Innocent people are abused and harassed, our fourth amendment rights have been obliterated, and the integrity of the police profession has been virtually destroyed. Everyone should work to oppose these changes in police procedure and mentality.

Paschendale said:

This is just one more example of the increasing militarization of police in the United States. Serve and protect is long gone. Now they are trained to wage war on the citizens of this country. This is an awful trend and we should all oppose it. It hurts everyone and serves no one. Innocent people are abused and harassed, our fourth amendment rights have been obliterated, and the integrity of the police profession has been virtually destroyed. Everyone should work to oppose these changes in police procedure and mentality.

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I'm not sure that a lot of this isn't a natural reaction to a lousy, crappy job. Not speaking to this incident, in particular, but to the jaded us-against-them attitude LEOs develop after years on the job. And that attitude is, of course, quickly imparted to new recruits. I think it's a hazard of the job.

LEOs (in big cities, especially, and depending on their beat) see the underbelly of society. The dregs of U.S. humanity, day-in/day-out.

They interact with drug addicts, people who lie right to their face, women-beaters, child abusers, drunks, murderers, you name it. They walk into crime scenes that would make most of us puke our guts out and be haunted for the rest of our lives.

I think it'd be pretty damned hard not to let that become a pervasive downer in one's life. I wonder...if PTSD is real? I'd think (again, especially in big cities) that our LEOs are rife with it.

Paschendale said:

This is just one more example of the increasing militarization of police in the United States. Serve and protect is long gone. Now they are trained to wage war on the citizens of this country. This is an awful trend and we should all oppose it. It hurts everyone and serves no one. Innocent people are abused and harassed, our fourth amendment rights have been obliterated, and the integrity of the police profession has been virtually destroyed. Everyone should work to oppose these changes in police procedure and mentality.

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I don't think this example is actually representative of all law enforcement, at least not yet. If we allow such things to continue, then they will become more frequent no doubt.

Were we to drop the war on drugs and concentrate on violent offenders instead, then it would become less likely that ordinary citizens encounter harassment by police.