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    Re: Video showing cop forcibly cutting woman's hair weave makes waves

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I don't think this example is actually representative of all law enforcement, at least not yet. If we allow such things to continue, then they will become more frequent no doubt.

    Were we to drop the war on drugs and concentrate on violent offenders instead, then it would become less likely that ordinary citizens encounter harassment by police.
    Good point.

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    Re: Video showing cop forcibly cutting woman's hair weave makes waves

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'm not sure that a lot of this isn't a natural reaction to a lousy, crappy job. Not speaking to this incident, in particular, but to the jaded us-against-them attitude LEOs develop after years on the job. And that attitude is, of course, quickly imparted to new recruits. I think it's a hazard of the job.
    Then we should either be far more selective in who we allow to become police, do a whole lot more to change that attitude, or drastically reduce the amount of discretion that individual police exercise.

    LEOs (in big cities, especially, and depending on their beat) see the underbelly of society. The dregs of U.S. humanity, day-in/day-out.
    So do public defenders. When was the last time you heard about a public defender beating the crap out of a suspect?

    They interact with drug addicts, people who lie right to their face, women-beaters, child abusers, drunks, murderers, you name it. They walk into crime scenes that would make most of us puke our guts out and be haunted for the rest of our lives.

    I think it'd be pretty damned hard not to let that become a pervasive downer in one's life. I wonder...if PTSD is real? I'd think (again, especially in big cities) that our LEOs are rife with it.
    As above, if the job has such damaging effects, than police should work far fewer hours, receive treatment, and be placed in a much more positive work environment. And our laws need to change a lot. As Ditto says, the drug war has encouraged a very powerful "us vs them" mentality between police and everyone else. Individual police discretion needs to be heavily curtailed, and police who abuse their authority need to be punished. Clean out the cops who can't handle the responsibility, and do whatever we can to support those who can.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I don't think this example is actually representative of all law enforcement, at least not yet. If we allow such things to continue, then they will become more frequent no doubt.
    Of course not all. But far too much.

    Were we to drop the war on drugs and concentrate on violent offenders instead, then it would become less likely that ordinary citizens encounter harassment by police.
    That would do a lot to help things. That police are trained basically to assume that everyone is a drug smuggler has escalated violence and destroyed the fourth amendment.
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    Re: Video showing cop forcibly cutting woman's hair weave makes waves

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    So do public defenders. When was the last time you heard about a public defender beating the crap out of a suspect?
    you seem to be minimizing the difference in context here: the Public Defender doesn't have to deal directly with these situations, they deal with them in the sanitized confines of the court system after the physical mess has been cleaned up by the police

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    Re: Video showing cop forcibly cutting woman's hair weave makes waves

    Meh, what happenned here is precisely what should have happenned - the offending officer was suspended, the incident investigated, and the officer fired. Not sure what folks want beyond that.

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    Re: Video showing cop forcibly cutting woman's hair weave makes waves

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Yeah, no tough talk about supposed rights and such. Once the cops have you, forget about your rights. This is a police state after all.
    Prisoners have some specific right to wear a wig? Might as well let them have a gun; there IS a specific right have a gun.
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    Re: Video showing cop forcibly cutting woman's hair weave makes waves

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Then we should either be far more selective in who we allow to become police, do a whole lot more to change that attitude, or drastically reduce the amount of discretion that individual police exercise.



    So do public defenders. When was the last time you heard about a public defender beating the crap out of a suspect?



    As above, if the job has such damaging effects, than police should work far fewer hours, receive treatment, and be placed in a much more positive work environment. And our laws need to change a lot. As Ditto says, the drug war has encouraged a very powerful "us vs them" mentality between police and everyone else. Individual police discretion needs to be heavily curtailed, and police who abuse their authority need to be punished. Clean out the cops who can't handle the responsibility, and do whatever we can to support those who can.



    Of course not all. But far too much.



    That would do a lot to help things. That police are trained basically to assume that everyone is a drug smuggler has escalated violence and destroyed the fourth amendment.
    Exactly, and asset forfeiture, spawned by the war on drugs, has destroyed the fifth as well.
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    Re: Video showing cop forcibly cutting woman's hair weave makes waves

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I don't think this example is actually representative of all law enforcement, at least not yet. If we allow such things to continue, then they will become more frequent no doubt.

    Were we to drop the war on drugs and concentrate on violent offenders instead, then it would become less likely that ordinary citizens encounter harassment by police.
    IKR, with traffic violations being handled by cameras (which I'm opposed to) I would probably never have to talk to an officer again.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Video showing cop forcibly cutting woman's hair weave makes waves

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    you seem to be minimizing the difference in context here: the Public Defender doesn't have to deal directly with these situations, they deal with them in the sanitized confines of the court system after the physical mess has been cleaned up by the police
    This is very much a tangent and not even at all related to my main point, but you are very much wrong with the elements that public defenders deal with. As hard as you think it is to stomach the situations of violence and crime, it is much easier when one cam simply condemn them. Try striving, every day, to see their side of things. There is no sanitized version of reaction to crime.
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    Re: Video showing cop forcibly cutting woman's hair weave makes waves

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Prisoners have some specific right to wear a wig? Might as well let them have a gun; there IS a specific right have a gun.
    A weave is NOT a wig. A weave is sewn into the natural hair, and glued to the scalp. It takes hours upon hours to "install", costs hundreds of dollars, and lasts for months... unless some power-mad bitch corrections officer decides to hack and rip it off against jail policy, and promptly loses her job over the breach in jail protocol.

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    Re: Video showing cop forcibly cutting woman's hair weave makes waves

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    This is very much a tangent and not even at all related to my main point, but you are very much wrong with the elements that public defenders deal with.
    I never read about Public defenders needing to be concerned about getting shot in the face every time they pull someone over or pulling a baby suffering from severe chemical burns from a meth house.

    As hard as you think it is to stomach the situations of violence and crime, it is much easier when one cam simply condemn them. Try striving, every day, to see their side of things. There is no sanitized version of reaction to crime.
    I'm not saying public defenders have an easy or ideal job, I am saying what they see and what they deal with directly is very different than police officers.

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