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    Re: Government Series Gibson Guitar.

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    Re: Government Series Gibson Guitar.

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post

    In any event, Holder sent in storm troopers who closed the Gibson factory for a day and they confiscated the rosewood in question.

    Check it out.
    All m granduncles were stormtroopers.

    They publicly humiliated a local socialist politician, by parading him through the streets wearing a sign saying "Red scum", later they participated in handing him over to the Gestapo who sent him to Dachau. They also were part in a purge of a local jewish paper manufacturing buisness, the owners had left in a haste vefore, yet their property was seized and then sold to another company.

    Can you show me this behavior conducted by democrats?

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    Re: Government Series Gibson Guitar.

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    Re: Government Series Gibson Guitar.

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Gibson Guitars donates to Republican candidates. Fender on the other hand donates to Democrats. Par for the coarse under the Tammany Hall political guidance of the Obama administration, Gibson was raided a while back for supposedly importing banned rosewood. As I remember, the rosewood didn't violate American law but our government questioned wether or not it violated law of the country of origin because it didn't meet the value added criteria for export.

    In any event, Holder sent in storm troopers who closed the Gibson factory for a day and they confiscated the rosewood in question. Gibson naturally took them to court and prevailed. The government had to return the rosewood.

    Now Gibson has built the government issue guitar with rosewood fingerboards confiscated in the raid. I'd buy one and hang on to it in the case for twenty years and sell it for a huge profit just for the hell of it but in twenty years I probably won't remember where I left it.

    Gibson.com: Government Series II Les Paul

    Check it out.
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    seems gibson is trying to recover some of its losses. it had to pay fines in the settlement:
    Under the settlement, Gibson agreed to pay a $300,000 fine for the ebony from Madagascar that was taken in the first raid. The company also agreed to make a $50,000 donation to the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation to promote conservation work and forfeited the seized illegal wood, which was valued at $261,844.
    the DOJ released some additional information about the case, none of which makes Gibson look very good:

    Gibson purchased “fingerboard blanks,” consisting of sawn boards of Madagascar ebony, for use in manufacturing guitars. The Madagascar ebony fingerboard blanks were ordered from a supplier who obtained them from an exporter in Madagascar. Gibson’s supplier continued to receive Madagascar ebony fingerboard blanks from its Madagascar exporter after the 2006 ban. The Madagascar exporter did not have authority to export ebony fingerboard blanks after the law issued in Madagascar in 2006.
    In 2008, an employee of Gibson participated in a trip to Madagascar, sponsored by a non-profit organization. Participants on the trip, including the Gibson employee, were told that a law passed in 2006 in Madagascar banned the harvest of ebony and the export of any ebony products that were not in finished form. They were further told by trip organizers that instrument parts, such as fingerboard blanks, would be considered unfinished and therefore illegal to export under the 2006 law. Participants also visited the facility of the exporter in Madagascar, from which Gibson’s supplier sourced its Madagascar ebony, and were informed that the wood at the facility was under seizure at that time and could not be moved.
    After the Gibson employee returned from Madagascar with this information, he conveyed the information to superiors and others at Gibson. The information received by the Gibson employee during the June 2008 trip, and sent to company management by the employee and others following the June 2008 trip, was not further investigated or acted upon prior to Gibson continuing to place orders with its supplier. Gibson received four shipments of Madagascar ebony fingerboard blanks from its supplier between October 2008 and September 2009.
    Gibson Guitars and Feds Settle in Illegal Wood Case | Mother Jones

    the wood in these guitars includes the wood from india which was a part of the federal dispute:
    The [settlement] agreement allows Gibson to keep the rosewood and ebony from India that was taken in the second raid and continue importing from India.
    i would not find this instrument investment grade. for about the same money, buy a Derek Trucks signature SG. you will not lose a dime and over time, it may be one of the current models that will increase in value
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    Re: Government Series Gibson Guitar.

    I admit that I have ebony that's probably illegal according to the law. I purchased it from someone who bought it over 20 years ago, and I have no documentation that it was properly harvested and all the other stuff the law requires. I'm going to turn it in, pay the fines, and fall on a table saw. I hear the government takes the wood back to the point of origin and sticks it in the ground, and hopes a tree grows from it.

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    Re: Government Series Gibson Guitar.

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    I admit that I have ebony that's probably illegal according to the law. I purchased it from someone who bought it over 20 years ago, and I have no documentation that it was properly harvested and all the other stuff the law requires.
    I'm going to turn it in, pay the fines,
    and fall on a table saw. I hear the government takes the wood back to the point of origin and sticks it in the ground, and hopes a tree grows from it.
    No need ... let me take care of that ebony for ya ... I'm authorized.

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    Re: Government Series Gibson Guitar.

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    All m granduncles were stormtroopers.

    They publicly humiliated a local socialist politician, by parading him through the streets wearing a sign saying "Red scum",
    later they participated in handing him over to the Gestapo who sent him to Dachau. They also were part in a purge of a local jewish paper manufacturing buisness, the owners had left in a haste vefore, yet their property was seized and then sold to another company.

    Can you show me this behavior conducted by democrats?
    Quite right ... these days Democrats would hold parades FOR Socialist Red scum and even get them elected to high office. Good point how things change.

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    Re: Government Series Gibson Guitar.

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    No need ... let me take care of that ebony for ya ... I'm authorized.
    Morning, Bubba. Have you ever read the law in this? I did. It's amazing, and it was written early in the 20th century. I understand it's intent, but you could actually take a guitar out of the country that you've bought and owned for years, and have it confiscated upon your return here if you don't have proper documentation. Now who carries such documentation with them when traveling? I don't remember ever having purchased a guitar that even came with such documentation. Weird, very weird.

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    Re: Government Series Gibson Guitar.

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Morning, Bubba. Have you ever read the law in this? I did. It's amazing, and it was written early in the 20th century. I understand it's intent, but you could actually take a guitar out of the country that you've bought and owned for years, and have it confiscated upon your return here if you don't have proper documentation. Now who carries such documentation with them when traveling? I don't remember ever having purchased a guitar that even came with such documentation. Weird, very weird.
    Why change an arcane law? It can come in handy when you decide you need to enforce it.

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    Re: Government Series Gibson Guitar.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Ummm...

    There is ample evidence that the history that sawdust related is true...not accusations at all.

    Perhaps one could say, "How very liberal of you", for opening your mouth and inserting your foot.
    ACtually, there is evidence that what sawdust has posted is not true. He claims the govt returned the confiscated rosewood. Untrue. Gibson relinquished claims to the rosewood

    He claims that Gibson prevailed in court. Untrue. The case was settled out of court

    Gibson Settles Lawsuit in Exotic Guitar Wood Case

    Guitar maker, Gibson, has settled U.S. allegations that it illegally bought protected species’ wood for manufacturing instruments, ending a criminal probe and forfeiture proceedings in federal court in Tennessee.
    Gibson, based in Nashville, will pay $350,000 in penalties and agreed to implement a compliance program. The company also will withdraw its claims to about $261,000 of ebony and rosewood from India and Madagascar seized during the investigation, according to a statement today by the U.S. Justice Department.

    “Gibson has acknowledged that it failed to act on information that the Madagascar ebony it was purchasing may have violated laws intended to limit over harvesting and conserve valuable wood species from Madagascar, a country which has been severely impacted by deforestation,” Ignacia Moreno, head of the department’s environment and natural resources division, said in the statement



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