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    Re: Attorney General Eric Holder can't explain constitutional basis for Obama's execu

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I get the point fully. It's a trending topic now because he said TWICE recently that "he had a phone and a pen" and he'd "issue an Executive Order" to act where Congress would not. But you're acting as if this is a hot button issue that resonates with everyone the same way. I'm not as uptight about the issue as others (on the Right) appear to be except when they try to make it seem as if one side of the political divide is so terribly wrong and conducting himself illegally/unconstitutionally. Yet they didn't say a word when the last guy in office did the exact same thing only he made it clear that HE would not adhere to certain provisions of law, whereas all President Obama has done for the most part is say how his Administration can use the law to help move the country forward.

    The reason I've chimed in isn't because I agree or disagree with the President of the United States using his Power as Chief Executive to direct his Administration how to go about doing the country's business. It's to try and counter the notion that "the President is overstepping his bounds", towit, I say if that truly were the case, why hasn't he been impeached at worse or the laws the Republican leadership claims he's disregarding strengthened or executive authority he's taking too broadly reigned in?

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    1) Because he's not; and,

    2) They want to ensure that once one of their own returns to the WH, he exercises the same broad powers to forester their political power and control.
    I'm not acting like it's a hot button issue and I'm not pontificating. I'm glad you got the point. It shouldn't have been this difficult.
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    Re: Attorney General Eric Holder can't explain constitutional basis for Obama's execu

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Do you think we'd be talking about signing statements if Obama hadn't said he was going to use them to pass his agenda in the State of the Union? I don't.
    So you would rather he was like other presidents and just be secretive about them??
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    Re: Attorney General Eric Holder can't explain constitutional basis for Obama's execu

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    not that I am disagreeing that criticism is misplaced (it's not an issue I am overly concerned with), but wouldn't a better measure be the issues those executive orders concerned and how legally and socially controversial they were?
    I think thats a fair point. That would take a lot more research than what I am willing to put into this one though.

    Actually, a quick google search reveals his predecessor had some pretty controversial ones:

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...ss.single.html
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    Re: Attorney General Eric Holder can't explain constitutional basis for Obama's execu

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    So you would rather he was like other presidents and just be secretive about them??
    There is an old saying that goes, "What you don't know won't hurt you." Now I don't really believe that, but one thing is for sure, If I don't know anything about something, I sure won't be worrying about it.
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    Re: Attorney General Eric Holder can't explain constitutional basis for Obama's execu

    Executive orders, Nuclear Options, Legislative filibusters, Supreme Court decisons.
    The actions of our Government have now been added to my economic wheel of issues/subissues.
    One of "my" specialty spokes of the economic wheel will be Infrastructure.
    Nothing short of an all-encompassing Marshall Plan will save our economic predicament.
    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    There is an old saying that goes, "What you don't know won't hurt you."
    Now I don't really believe that, but one thing is for sure, If I don't know anything about something, I sure won't be worrying about it.
    As a Dreamer, I see waterpipe-lines and Keystone/Erie Canals, moving water as it is needed, both to get rid of it from floods,
    and to resupply drought areas .
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    Re: Attorney General Eric Holder can't explain constitutional basis for Obama's execu

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    So you would rather he was like other presidents and just be secretive about them??
    I'm into current events. I was never a history major.
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    Re: Attorney General Eric Holder can't explain constitutional basis for Obama's execu

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Executive orders, Nuclear Options, Legislative filibusters, Supreme Court decisons.
    The actions of our Government have now been added to my economic wheel of issues/subissues.
    One of "my" specialty spokes of the economic wheel will be Infrastructure.
    Nothing short of an all-encompassing Marshall Plan will save our economic predicament.

    As a Dreamer, I see waterpipe-lines and Keystone/Erie Canals, moving water as it is needed, both to get rid of it from floods,
    and to resupply drought areas .
    Perhaps I am more the realist, I look at the 17 going on 18 trillion in debt and think we do not have much of a future. What is this country going to do when interest rates rise to normal, normal being 5-6% instead of around 1% as it is today. I can see the day when 1/3rd to 1/2 of all incoming revenue goes to service the debt.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Attorney General Eric Holder can't explain constitutional basis for Obama's execu

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Attorney General Eric Holder can't explain constitutional basis for Obama's executive orders | WashingtonExaminer.com



    This should be pretty fundamental stuff for a Constitutional scholar and his Attorney General. All this should be documented prior to drafting and signing an EO.



    Anyone who has any real proof that the President of the USA has broken the law should be doing something about it. Like impeaching him.

    Until that happens, I'll just put this down to sore loser syndrome..

    If you have any proof of anything, bring it on.




    Standing by, waiting for something to happen . . . . the clock is ticking . . . .

    I've been hearing this bull**** for a long time and nothing has happened yet

    That tells me that no one has a solid case and they're just running their mouths.
    Last edited by shrubnose; 02-03-14 at 09:32 AM.

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    Re: Attorney General Eric Holder can't explain constitutional basis for Obama's execu

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Anyone who has any real proof that the President of the USA has broken the law should be doing something about it. Like impeaching him.

    Until that happens, I'll just put this down to sore loser syndrome..

    If you have any proof of anything, bring it on.




    Standing by, waiting for something to happen . . . . the clock is ticking . . . .

    I've been hearing this bull**** for a long time and nothing has happened yet

    That tells me that no one has a solid case and they're just running their mouths.
    The existence of proof doesn't mean that the required political will in Congress exists. Call is sore loser syndrome if you want. It should have been quite easy for Holder to explain the support for executive orders when asked, given it's his job to provide that to the President.
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    Re: Attorney General Eric Holder can't explain constitutional basis for Obama's execu

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    where do you get the idea that AGs are supposed to be or have bee constitutional scholars. The only one who comes close to that definition in recent memory was acting AG Peter Keisler who was an editor of the Yale Law Journal. Meese was a law professor . He qualified as well
    I didn't, I said the constitutional scholar AND his attorney general. That's two people (i.e., Obama and Holder).
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