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    Re: 96 Percent of Dems Who Support Minimum Wage Hike Donít Pay Their Interns

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Read more. In my fields, the expected retirements that were supposed to start by the time I graduated high school and through my undergrad (opening up a vast number of decently paid positions) are not happening. Heck, even the much needed teaching positions cannot be filled, because we can't afford to live in the town or city (not that oil related jobs get you a place to live anyway). Even in higher ed, adjuncts are playing the unfulfilled waiting game.
    you should consider moving, there are teaching positions all over the midwest

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    Re: 96 Percent of Dems Who Support Minimum Wage Hike Donít Pay Their Interns

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    you should consider moving, there are teaching positions all over the midwest
    There's teaching position "shortages" everywhere (including my state). But there are multiple variables which continue to make it so. Likewise, I'd have to go through the license process (again) if I go to another state. I am certainly not opposed to doing something to get a job (and of course, I'd go far below education level to "get by" while looking), but I find it rather peculiar that you'd take a single individual and then try to spread it outward. There are plenty of fields which haven't grown or accepted new employees as they were projected to, students take on an enormous debt burden, and in many fields, are expected to do far more and get compensated far less (including internships, temporary work, etc. to "get the foot in the door"-regardless if this actually happens). It's the reality we face. For my situation, I don't mind taking on debt to get the education that I was told I could never have even if I wanted to, but I know where my skill sets are, and I know what fields I can and cannot realistically gun for. It just so happens that the math and science sector are places where I could never travel. I have to take my skills elsewhere, and I am certainly trying. For a lot of other people in my generation, there are a great many variables which explain why they too cannot gain entrance into the market, even those that were where all the energy was supposed to be.
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    Re: 96 Percent of Dems Who Support Minimum Wage Hike Donít Pay Their Interns

    for your consideratoin:

    the study link is from About MinimumWage.com | MinimumWage.com

    and is a project of the Employment Policies Institute (EPI).


    Rick Berman created EPI in 1991 to "argue the importance of minimum wage jobs for the poor and uneducated."[3]

    EPI has has been widely quoted in news stories regarding minimum wage issues, and although a few of those stories have correctly described it as a "think tank financed by business," most stories fail to provide any identification that would enable readers to identify the vested interests behind its pronouncements. Instead, it is usually described exactly the way it describes itself, as a "non-profit research organization dedicated to studying public policy issues surrounding employment growth" that "focuses on issues that affect entry-level employment." In reality, EPI's mission is to keep the minimum wage low so Berman's clients can continue to pay their workers as little as possible.
    EPI also owns the internet domain names to MinimumWage.com and LivingWage.com, a website that attempts to portray the idea of a living wage for workers as some kind of insidious conspiracy. "Living wage activists want nothing less than a national livingwage," it warns (as though there is something wrong with paying employees enough that they can afford to eat and pay rent).
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    Re: 96 Percent of Dems Who Support Minimum Wage Hike Donít Pay Their Interns

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E Buster View Post
    Lewinsky/intern/liberal joke.
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    Re: 96 Percent of Dems Who Support Minimum Wage Hike Donít Pay Their Interns

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    My son is 28, majored in finance. Has had 3 employers since getting out and still gets offers. He lives in a small market. I call bull**** on someone that is skilled saying they can't find work.
    Yep, that sums up the "libertarian-right" philosophy pretty well. My personal story is a good one, so everyone else who isn't as fortunate must be doing something wrong and doesn't deserve help. I must be superior, because I don't recognize good fortune.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Read more. In my fields, the expected retirements that were supposed to start by the time I graduated high school and through my undergrad (opening up a vast number of decently paid positions) are not happening. Heck, even the much needed teaching positions cannot be filled, because we can't afford to live in the town or city (not that oil related jobs get you a place to live anyway). Even in higher ed, adjuncts are playing the unfulfilled waiting game.
    Half my law class cannot find work as lawyers. And this is even after working unpaid internships for "experience" all through law school.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    you should consider moving, there are teaching positions all over the midwest
    And, of course, moving isn't a hugely expensive proposition or a risky gamble at all. A whole lot of recent college graduates had to move back in with their families... because they can't afford to live anywhere else.

    How dense do you have to be to keep pretending that there isn't a serious shortage of work for young people to do, and even less that will pay enough to live?
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    Re: 96 Percent of Dems Who Support Minimum Wage Hike Donít Pay Their Interns

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    How dense do you have to be to keep pretending that there isn't a serious shortage of work for young people to do, and even less that will pay enough to live?
    Well, it's the same group of people who think just anyone can start a small business up and make it on their own. Because apparently you can magic up customers in addition to the funds required to start a business.
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    Re: 96 Percent of Dems Who Support Minimum Wage Hike Donít Pay Their Interns

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Easily one of the most ignorant statements I've ever seen made.
    If minimum wage sets the bottom of the scale for unskilled workers, and the standard of increasing income is to be more productive to the point of increased profit to the employer then what he said is true. Conversely, if you mandate an increase of the minimum wage and the new limit exceeds the ability of the employee's production that employee will be out of a job. I don't know why it is necessary to explain this to someone who claims to be "wise".

    Companies do not exist primarily to provide jobs and benefits to people, they are profit driven. So if an employee produces less than they take they are a drag on the company. On a related note, the proposal applies to GOVERNMENT employees, meaning they are paid from tax revenue, not based on production. Government is not concerned with balancing the books, they don't have to since they do not operate out of their own pockets. What this really is is another stab at the private sector that will lead to the argument to increase welfare roles (workers got an X% increase, welfare recipients should too in the name of equality) and widen the gap between workers and welfare leeches. This is more wealth redistribution pure and simple.

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    Re: 96 Percent of Dems Who Support Minimum Wage Hike Donít Pay Their Interns

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Yep, that sums up the "libertarian-right" philosophy pretty well. My personal story is a good one, so everyone else who isn't as fortunate must be doing something wrong and doesn't deserve help. I must be superior, because I don't recognize good fortune.
    8 College Degrees with the Worst Return on Investment - Salary.com

    If you are getting a soft degree then you are going to have a hard time finding a job much less the pay for that job.
    soft degree's are social science, theology, etc ...

    if you are getting a hard degree. hard science (chemistry, biology etc ...) computer related, math, engineering etc .. then you have a wide variety of job openings
    and are in high demand.

    my friends brother learned this the hard way. he got his degree in religious studies. he basically had to go back to school and he became a medical technician. now he is doing that at the University of miami hospital in their neuro surgery department.



    Half my law class cannot find work as lawyers. And this is even after working unpaid internships for "experience" all through law school.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/31/ed...-cut.html?_r=0

    the law profession has been in decline for some time. A good friend of mine is a lawyer and i mentioned to him one day that i thought about going to law school. he said don't
    there isn't any work. he was like unless you own your own pratice (which he did) he said you won't get a job). 10 years ago it was a good thing. now not so much.

    And, of course, moving isn't a hugely expensive proposition or a risky gamble at all. A whole lot of recent college graduates had to move back in with their families... because they can't afford to live anywhere else.
    i have moved from WV to PA to FL. sometimes moving is a requirement. A friend of mine said he would never leave WV he live in utah now.

    How dense do you have to be to keep pretending that there isn't a serious shortage of work for young people to do, and even less that will pay enough to live?
    the reason is that productivity has to exceed cost. companies are very much into job experience. they want people with job related experience even if it is just a year or two.
    The less real training that they have to do the better off the company is. the constant upward pressure on the floor hasn't helped.

    it also hasn't helped that people that were suppose to retire delayed retirement due to economic conditions.

    what we also have to look at is what degree's these students are graduating with.

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    Re: 96 Percent of Dems Who Support Minimum Wage Hike Donít Pay Their Interns

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Well I guess dems not paying interns is a step up from using them for human humidors.
    Ya' gotta' give Slick Wilie an "A" for creativity.

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    Re: 96 Percent of Dems Who Support Minimum Wage Hike Donít Pay Their Interns

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    If minimum wage sets the bottom of the scale for unskilled workers, and the standard of increasing income is to be more productive to the point of increased profit to the employer then what he said is true. Conversely, if you mandate an increase of the minimum wage and the new limit exceeds the ability of the employee's production that employee will be out of a job. I don't know why it is necessary to explain this to someone who claims to be "wise".

    Companies do not exist primarily to provide jobs and benefits to people, they are profit driven. So if an employee produces less than they take they are a drag on the company. On a related note, the proposal applies to GOVERNMENT employees, meaning they are paid from tax revenue, not based on production. Government is not concerned with balancing the books, they don't have to since they do not operate out of their own pockets. What this really is is another stab at the private sector that will lead to the argument to increase welfare roles (workers got an X% increase, welfare recipients should too in the name of equality) and widen the gap between workers and welfare leeches. This is more wealth redistribution pure and simple.
    The trouble comes in assuming that Econ 101 can sufficiently describe a 14 trillion dollar economy.
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