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Gang of NYPD cops beating up on 84 year-old man for jaywalking [W:129]

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Yet another police brutality this time on 84 yo man for jaywalking.




An 84 year-old Chinese immigrant who didn't understand English was beaten by a gang of NYPD cops and then charged with "resisting arrest, obstructing governmental administration and disorderly conduct" after he was caught jaywalking. It took a gang of several big and tough NYPD cops, around 5-6 cops, to beat the fragile old man bloody to the ground to subdue him.


The magical words here is "resisting arrest" for some of you here (fortunately a very small minority). That means police can justify beating you into a pulp even to death no matter how old you are or how fragile you are just by saying the word "resisting arrest" and some people here would just support police brutality wholeheartedly with zest. You would hear from them swearing the force used by the cops is not excessive because the old man "resisted". Luckily he wasn't beaten to death otherwise the same brutal cop supporters would just say: "Oh, well".





WTF! 84-Year-Old Beat By NYPD Police For Jaywalking (VIDEO) | Global Grind


The family of an 84-year-old man is demanding answers from New York City police officers after they allegedly beat him for jaywalking on Sunday.


According to Think Progress, Kang Wong, 84, was arrested after crossing the street illegally. Witnesses claim that Wong didn’t pose a threat to officers, but he still was left bloodied and bruised after the arrest.
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Anther source: Cops bloody old man

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...-his-initial-crime-not-something-youd-expect/

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National Lawyers Guild is a radical front for the Communist Party

that being said, some cops are scum

which is why they shouldn't have a monopoly on legal firearms

if the charges are true 42 USC 1983 allows a Federal civili rights remedy that can be punitive civilly or criminal sentences or both
 
I'll take some stinking common sense for $200 Alex.
 
Slipping/falling down and scraping your cheek is not a beat down
 
dolphinocean said:
Yet another police brutality this time on 84 yo man for jaywalking.

[video=youtube;7E_jT-mvB30]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E_jT-mvB30[video]


An 84 year-old Chinese immigrant who didn't understand English was beaten by a gang of NYPD cops and then charged with "resisting arrest, obstructing governmental administration and disorderly conduct" after he was caught jaywalking. It took a gang of several big and tough NYPD cops, around 5-6 cops, to beat the fragile old man bloody to the ground to subdue him.


The magical words here is "resisting arrest" for some of you here (fortunately a very small minority). That means police can justify beating you into a pulp even to death no matter how old you are or how fragile you are just by saying the word "resisting arrest" and some people here would just support police brutality wholeheartedly with zest. You would hear from them swearing the force used by the cops is not excessive because the old man "resisted". Luckily he wasn't beaten to death otherwise the same brutal cop supporters would just say: "Oh, well".



WTF! 84-Year-Old Beat By NYPD Police For Jaywalking (VIDEO) | Global Grind


Anther source: Cops bloody old man

84-Year-Old Left Bloodied After Encounter With NYPD. His Initial Crime? Not Something You’d Expect. | Video | TheBlaze.com
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More emotive nonsense.
He wasn't beaten for jaywalking.



From your own source as reported by a witness.

“[The officer] stood him up against the wall and was trying to write him a ticket. The man didn’t seem to understand, and he started walking away.

“The cop tried to pull him back, and that’s when he began to struggle with the cop,” said King, 24. “As soon as he pushed the cop, it was like cops started running in from everywhere.”
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I'm generally supportive of the police, at least here in Toronto and Canada, but I have to say I find it remarkable that there are so many officers available to rush to the aid of an officer writing a jaywalking ticket. Are there units of officers on standby to assist and protect any officer not involved in an actual crime?

I'd also say there's probably nothing more irritating to a cop than a person whom he's talking to ignoring what he's saying. I can just imagine the attitude he was "copping" (there's a reason the term "copping and attitude" exists) when the little asian didn't speak English and wouldn't do as he was told.

This is not to say the elderly man was faultless in this - one, he should learn to speak English if he's going to break the law in America and two, he shouldn't break the law in America.
 
Good thing it didn't happen here in California. They could have killed him, and it would have been all good. :(
 
DiAnna said:
Good thing it didn't happen here in California. They could have killed him, and it would have been all good. :(
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What an absurd thing to say. Total exaggeration.
 
Power corrupts. A small group of police across the country are creating a stench to the reputation of fine police officers.
 
DiAnna said:
Good thing it didn't happen here in California. They could have killed him, and it would have been all good. :(
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Sadly it in acceptable in many other states.
 
Crosscheck said:
Power corrupts. A small group of police across the country are creating a stench to the reputation of fine police officers.
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A small group of police across the country
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Name these *alleged* corrupt group of police across the country
 
I don't think the NYC jaywalking law has been there long. At most the strict implementation was very recent, as recent as 12 hours ago after a pedestrian was hit by a car nearby.

So, I don't expect the old man knew about the jaywalking law. Also, he was crossing at the traffic light junction with a host of other pedestrians when the light was green but it turned red by the time he got to the other side where the officer nailed him. Why couldn't one or maybe two police officers handle an elderly person without excessive use of force? Pushing an old man against the wall and then to the ground for what? A violent crime of jaywalking? C'mon.

Police officers frequently give warning and issue no ticket for speeding or other vehicular traffic violation so why would NYPD cops be so tough on an elderly man who simply couldn't get to the other side on time due to the trafic light timing catering only to the young and able persons?


Manhattan man, 84, ticketed for jaywalking to file $5 million lawsuit against city - NY Daily News

Kang Chun Wong has lived in the same Upper West Side neighborhood for nearly five decades. He owned the popular La Nueva Victoria restaurant on Broadway while raising three sons, and now spends his retirement doting on his grandchildren and socializing with friends at a senior center in Chinatown.

Then suddenly on Jan. 19, while returning to his W. 97th St. apartment, Wong walked right into a nightmarish police operation hatched by the local precinct commander in response to a spate of fatal pedestrian accidents.

His head, arm and ribs still sore from the violent confrontation with cops, Wong told the Daily News he is in disbelief that a lifetime of abiding by the law could be turned upside down — with him knocked unconscious on the street, handcuffed in a hospital emergency room and facing a litany of criminal charges.

Wong maintains the traffic signal was green when he stepped off the curb at the southeast corner of 96th St. and Broadway to cross, but it may have turned red by the time the octogenarian reached the other side, where an unidentified cop stopped him and demanded to see his identification

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When the cop began walking away with his card, Wong said he followed after him. “I was very puzzled and I was very scared,” he said. “I had no idea why I had been stopped. I used Cantonese and said give me back my ID.”

In response to Wong’s repeated requests for his card back, the cop whipped out handcuffs and spoke into his portable radio. “I got more scared,” Wong said.

Several officers raced over and grabbed Wong, pushing him against the wall of a building. Wong said he was pushed to the ground and struck his head, blacking out. When he regained consciousness, blood was streaming down his face and his hands were cuffed behind his back.
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As long as this man isn't pro-life, he'll be just fine in NY. They might beat him again sometime, but the city will pay every time it happens. The, ah, governor would view that as a win-win.
 
This sounds suspicious as a story.

First of all, if the light turned red before he made it across, it is highly likely that he did not have a walk signal (and the crosswalk looks like one that would have an actual signal).

Second, if you live in this country for almost 50 years and don't speak/understand English, that really is an issue and this should prove that. You need to at least be able to communicate, even to a small extent with emergency personnel or police, especially after being in this country for that long.

Plus, from what I was reading it sounds like he was fighting them. Anyone should know that you should not be fighting the police or even trying to. And that fighting could have lead to the fall causing his injury. I don't see any proof that the police "beat" him. Failed to prevent him from falling, due most likely to him fighting the police, sure.

There have been a lot of people killed because they jaywalked, including/especially older people. Yes, it can be inconvenient to get a ticket for jaywalking and even waiting to get that ticket written out. It is even possible that the police officer was calling for an interpreter for the old man, not backup, when he flipped out (in his words "I got more scared").
 
roguenuke said:
This sounds suspicious as a story.

First of all, if the light turned red before he made it across, it is highly likely that he did not have a walk signal (and the crosswalk looks like one that would have an actual signal).

Second, if you live in this country for almost 50 years and don't speak/understand English, that really is an issue and this should prove that. You need to at least be able to communicate, even to a small extent with emergency personnel or police, especially after being in this country for that long.

Plus, from what I was reading it sounds like he was fighting them. Anyone should know that you should not be fighting the police or even trying to. And that fighting could have lead to the fall causing his injury. I don't see any proof that the police "beat" him. Failed to prevent him from falling, due most likely to him fighting the police, sure.

There have been a lot of people killed because they jaywalked, including/especially older people. Yes, it can be inconvenient to get a ticket for jaywalking and even waiting to get that ticket written out. It is even possible that the police officer was calling for an interpreter for the old man, not backup, when he flipped out (in his words "I got more scared").
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I imagine you and Excon are disappointed they didn't taser this criminal before attacking and arresting him.
 
Texmex said:
I imagine you and Excon are disappointed they didn't taser this criminal before attacking and arresting him.
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Why would they need to taser him? It should be obvious that the main problem was a lack of communication and an overreaction on his part here. IF more information comes out, then it could also possibly be said that the cops overreacted as well, but from what I've seen/read so far, the overreaction was on the part of the old man. He overreacted to being given a ticket for jaywalking. Jaywalking is still an offense, best fought in court not during the issuance of a ticket. An automatically assuming that the cop is calling for backup rather than someone to translate is an overreaction on the old man's part.
 
We are a nation of laws. This isn't the wild west anymore where people can do whatever they want. No one regardless of age or lack of their lack of being able to speak the English language is immune from punishment for breaking the law. Obey the law or be prepared to suffer the consequences. Respect the law.
 
roguenuke said:
This sounds suspicious as a story.

First of all, if the light turned red before he made it across, it is highly likely that he did not have a walk signal (and the crosswalk looks like one that would have an actual signal).

Second, if you live in this country for almost 50 years and don't speak/understand English, that really is an issue and this should prove that. You need to at least be able to communicate, even to a small extent with emergency personnel or police, especially after being in this country for that long.

Plus, from what I was reading it sounds like he was fighting them. Anyone should know that you should not be fighting the police or even trying to. And that fighting could have lead to the fall causing his injury. I don't see any proof that the police "beat" him. Failed to prevent him from falling, due most likely to him fighting the police, sure.

There have been a lot of people killed because they jaywalked, including/especially older people. Yes, it can be inconvenient to get a ticket for jaywalking and even waiting to get that ticket written out. It is even possible that the police officer was calling for an interpreter for the old man, not backup, when he flipped out (in his words "I got more scared").
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He is an 84 year-old old man. He crossed the street at the traffic junction like most all elderly people who dare to cross a busy traffic street do. When the walk signal turned green for the pedestrians he was crossing with a group of people crossing the street but being old he just took longer to get there before the green light turned red. How's that even jaywalking?

Shouldn't the cops be there helping the elderly cross the street safely even when the light changes?

The old man at least spoke two languages, his native Cantonese and Spanish. Not speaking English is no reason for the cops to rough him up. He didn't just lost his balance. He was pushed into the wall and then to the ground where he hit his head and lost consciousness momentarily. When you grabbed and pushed somebody to the wall and to the ground where he hit his head a few times you are just as good as beating him. It makes no difference if you have a hard object in your hand and pounding against somebody's head or bring his head to pound against the hard object, the effect is the same.
 
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dolphinocean said:
He is an 84 year-old old man. He crossed the street at the traffic junction like most all elderly people who dare to cross a busy traffic street do. When the walk signal turned green for the pedestrians he was crossing with a group of people crossing the street but being old he just took longer to get there before the green light turned red. How's that even jaywalking?

Shouldn't the cops be there helping the elderly cross the street safely even when the light changes?

The old man at least spoke two languages, his native Cantonese and Spanish. Not speaking English is no reason for the cops to rough him up. He didn't just lost his balance. He was pushed into the wall and then to the ground where he hit his head and lost consciousness momentarily. When you grabbed and pushed somebody to the wall and to the ground where he hit his head a few times you are just as good as beating him. It makes no difference if you have a hard object in your hand and pounding against somebody's head or bring his head to pound against the hard object, the effect is the same.
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First, they time the crossings for old people. But I've also seen plenty of old people cross when they didn't have a light. Why should I believe his story automatically just because he makes the claim that he crossed with the light/signal?

Second, you fight a ticket in court, not while it is being given to you. You won't win fighting it while it is being issued. You just won't. But you have a pretty good chance of doing so in court, especially if you are an old man who was crossing the street.

The cops didn't "rough him up", particularly not for jaywalking but also not for not speaking English. It doesn't really take speaking a language to realize that you don't act like an idiot around cops, trying to grab things from them or fight them or leave when they are talking to you/issuing you a ticket.

And he admitted that he got scared when the cop talked into the radio that he was calling for backup despite the fact that he couldn't understand the officer. It would be much more reasonable to assume that the cop was calling for someone to translate what he was being cited for than to automatically assume the cop called for "backup". But then he started trying to take something (his ID) from the officer before there was someone even there to enable communication between them, and fighting the officers arresting him.

There is nothing but his word that he was pushed by the police. And we know that he started fighting them first. I doubt his story, yes.
 
It's interesting how a fellow who has lived here for 50 years, the majority of his life, can't speak english when getting a ticket but somehow gives clear english responses to questions asked in english by reporters.
 
roguenuke said:
First, they time the crossings for old people. But I've also seen plenty of old people cross when they didn't have a light. Why should I believe his story automatically just because he makes the claim that he crossed with the light/signal?

Second, you fight a ticket in court, not while it is being given to you. You won't win fighting it while it is being issued. You just won't. But you have a pretty good chance of doing so in court, especially if you are an old man who was crossing the street.

The cops didn't "rough him up", particularly not for jaywalking but also not for not speaking English. It doesn't really take speaking a language to realize that you don't act like an idiot around cops, trying to grab things from them or fight them or leave when they are talking to you/issuing you a ticket.

And he admitted that he got scared when the cop talked into the radio that he was calling for backup despite the fact that he couldn't understand the officer. It would be much more reasonable to assume that the cop was calling for someone to translate what he was being cited for than to automatically assume the cop called for "backup". But then he started trying to take something (his ID) from the officer before there was someone even there to enable communication between them, and fighting the officers arresting him.

There is nothing but his word that he was pushed by the police. And we know that he started fighting them first. I doubt his story, yes.
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Frankly, I've lived and traveled in many big and small cities and I haven't encountered one traffic light that timed for elderly to walk safely at their speed not to mention that they often times have to stop midway for impatient left turn vehicles who wouldn't stop to let the elderly finish the course.

Bottomline is he is an 84 year-old elderly man caught in the traffic light change at the junction. It's not a jaywalking. Even if it was, the police should have just let him pass like they do all the time for people who were caught driving over the speed limit. Besides, the jaywalking law wasn't even publicly broadcasted to the public when they put into effect in such a short notice. And it's a non-criminal offense. And yes, the police officers did rough him up. It doesn't take several cops to handle an elderly man. By that number alone it is an overkill.
 
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Texmex said:
I imagine you and Excon are disappointed they didn't taser this criminal before attacking and arresting him.
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I would only feel this way if he was christian. I'm ok with tasing Christians
 
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