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    re: Gang of NYPD cops beating up on 84 year-old man for jaywalking [W:129]

    Quote Originally Posted by Morrigi View Post
    Yes, because calling for the police to be held to the same standard as everyone else is clearly a "hate-filled diatribe". Do you honestly believe that the best way to deal with an elderly man who poses no significant threat to you is to put him on the ground and cuff him? Are the police not supposed to "protect and serve"? How is it that you willfully ignore the many well-documented cases of police brutality, and appeal only to the laws protecting the officers in question from legal challenge, as a valid source of authority? Do you believe that the police should be exempt from individual reasoning and common sense?

    Do you really believe that they should respond to any and every act of perceived disobedience or challenge to their authority with fist and club? This is what you are advocating.
    Because just as it is wrong to hold other people accountable for past actions of some that they fit into a category with, it is also wrong to do this with police officers.

    The man fought against the police and was being arrested for fighting the police over a simple ticket that should have been fought in court. During that arrest, the man somehow hit his head, receiving an injury. This is not a case of police brutality.
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    re: Gang of NYPD cops beating up on 84 year-old man for jaywalking [W:129]

    According to the police, and the police alone. If I'm wrong, please post a link of eyewitnesses reporting this man starting a fight with the police.
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    re: Gang of NYPD cops beating up on 84 year-old man for jaywalking [W:129]

    Quote Originally Posted by Morrigi View Post
    According to the police, and the police alone. If I'm wrong, please post a link of eyewitnesses reporting this man starting a fight with the police.
    Wrong. This is according to the witness in the first story quoted in the OP, Ian King. And the man himself, Kang Wong even says that he was trying to get his ID card back from the police officer because he felt it was taking too long.
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    re: Gang of NYPD cops beating up on 84 year-old man for jaywalking [W:129]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Because just as it is wrong to hold other people accountable for past actions of some that they fit into a category with, it is also wrong to do this with police officers.

    The man fought against the police and was being arrested for fighting the police over a simple ticket that should have been fought in court. During that arrest, the man somehow hit his head, receiving an injury. This is not a case of police brutality.
    And it's not wrong for you to persist in making up stuffs against the octagenarian who had no run-in with the law before but a productive and contributing member of society in favor of the notorious NYPD cops?


    He is an 84 year-old octagenarian. What right did the mean spirited cop have for confronting him and issuing him a ticket for not making to the other side before the light changes? With a fine of $250 a ticket how many pedestrians can afford to walk the streets day in and day out with the way this totalitarian cop keeps an eye on you? It's an abuse of power right there.


    The old man didn't just fought the cop out of the blue. He was reacting to the cop grabbing him back against the wall as he was walking away. That's not fighting the cop.


    He didn't even know what the cop was stopping him for at that time so how the heck did you keep coming up with your silly gem that he should have fought the ticket in court?


    How many crimes happen every minute in NYC and how many homicide cases go unsolved by police and you don't find troubling the NYPD of that precinct is focusing on strict enforcement of jaywalking law?


    I'm sure you've heard about the notorious mob behavior of crotch-rocket bikers terrorizing the streets of NYC while violating all kinds of traffic law on the book and getting away with it because police aren't there to rein them in and you want the cop to go around harassing elderly people for crossing the street?


    Bottom line is there are real crimes out there more than the cops could handle, harassing elderly people crossing the street at the intersection is not one of them.

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    re: Gang of NYPD cops beating up on 84 year-old man for jaywalking [W:129]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Wrong. This is according to the witness in the first story quoted in the OP, Ian King. And the man himself, Kang Wong even says that he was trying to get his ID card back from the police officer because he felt it was taking too long.
    This is what Ian King said:

    “The guy didn’t seem to speak English. The cop walked him over to the Citibank” near the northeast corner of 96th and Broadway, said one witness, Ian King, a Fordham University law student.
    “[The officer] stood him up against the wall and was trying to write him a ticket. The man didn’t seem to understand, and he started walking away.

    The cop tried to pull him back, and that’s when he began to struggle with the cop,” said King, 24. “As soon as he pushed the cop, it was like cops started running in from everywhere.”

    Cops bloody old man

    Clearly, the old man was reacting to the cop pulling him back while he was walking away. It's no crime to ask the police for your ID back unless you want to make stuff up and again claim the old man just snatch it back.

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    re: Gang of NYPD cops beating up on 84 year-old man for jaywalking [W:129]

    Quote Originally Posted by dolphinocean View Post
    This is what Ian King said:

    “The guy didn’t seem to speak English. The cop walked him over to the Citibank” near the northeast corner of 96th and Broadway, said one witness, Ian King, a Fordham University law student.
    “[The officer] stood him up against the wall and was trying to write him a ticket. The man didn’t seem to understand, and he started walking away.

    The cop tried to pull him back, and that’s when he began to struggle with the cop,” said King, 24. “As soon as he pushed the cop, it was like cops started running in from everywhere.”

    Cops bloody old man

    Clearly, the old man was reacting to the cop pulling him back while he was walking away. It's no crime to ask the police for your ID back unless you want to make stuff up and again claim the old man just snatch it back.
    It is a crime to fight with the police. It was reported that the man pushed the cop (right there in your quote). You cannot push a police officer. That is not simply asking for your ID card back. And while it may not be a crime to ask for the card back, neither does the police officer have to give it back til he/she is done with it.
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    re: Gang of NYPD cops beating up on 84 year-old man for jaywalking [W:129]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It is a crime to fight with the police. It was reported that the man pushed the cop (right there in your quote). You cannot push a police officer. That is not simply asking for your ID card back. And while it may not be a crime to ask for the card back, neither does the police officer have to give it back til he/she is done with it.
    Yeah, an 84 year-old man. And how frail is the cop? You need a reality check.

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    re: Gang of NYPD cops beating up on 84 year-old man for jaywalking [W:129]

    Quote Originally Posted by dolphinocean View Post
    Yeah, an 84 year-old man. And how frail is the cop? You need a reality check.
    Doesn't matter. It is still a crime to push a cop, no matter your age or how much damage is done by the push.
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    re: Gang of NYPD cops beating up on 84 year-old man for jaywalking [W:129]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Doesn't matter. It is still a crime to push a cop, no matter your age or how much damage is done by the push.
    Obviously totalitarianism is your cup of tea. I got it.

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    re: Gang of NYPD cops beating up on 84 year-old man for jaywalking [W:129]

    Quote Originally Posted by dolphinocean View Post
    Obviously totalitarianism is your cup of tea. I got it.
    No. I prefer rationality. The police doing their job to protect us and not being harassed by people who are inconvenienced by the police doing their job, so they attempt to fight those police. I prefer rational dialog instead of overdramatization of a situation. I prefer people who do not automatically assume the police are at fault based on personal biases against the police when a situation arises.
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