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    re: Gang of NYPD cops beating up on 84 year-old man for jaywalking [W:129]

    Quote Originally Posted by dolphinocean View Post
    He is an 84 year-old old man. He crossed the street at the traffic junction like most all elderly people who dare to cross a busy traffic street do. When the walk signal turned green for the pedestrians he was crossing with a group of people crossing the street but being old he just took longer to get there before the green light turned red. How's that even jaywalking?

    Shouldn't the cops be there helping the elderly cross the street safely even when the light changes?

    The old man at least spoke two languages, his native Cantonese and Spanish. Not speaking English is no reason for the cops to rough him up. He didn't just lost his balance. He was pushed into the wall and then to the ground where he hit his head and lost consciousness momentarily. When you grabbed and pushed somebody to the wall and to the ground where he hit his head a few times you are just as good as beating him. It makes no difference if you have a hard object in your hand and pounding against somebody's head or bring his head to pound against the hard object, the effect is the same.
    First, they time the crossings for old people. But I've also seen plenty of old people cross when they didn't have a light. Why should I believe his story automatically just because he makes the claim that he crossed with the light/signal?

    Second, you fight a ticket in court, not while it is being given to you. You won't win fighting it while it is being issued. You just won't. But you have a pretty good chance of doing so in court, especially if you are an old man who was crossing the street.

    The cops didn't "rough him up", particularly not for jaywalking but also not for not speaking English. It doesn't really take speaking a language to realize that you don't act like an idiot around cops, trying to grab things from them or fight them or leave when they are talking to you/issuing you a ticket.

    And he admitted that he got scared when the cop talked into the radio that he was calling for backup despite the fact that he couldn't understand the officer. It would be much more reasonable to assume that the cop was calling for someone to translate what he was being cited for than to automatically assume the cop called for "backup". But then he started trying to take something (his ID) from the officer before there was someone even there to enable communication between them, and fighting the officers arresting him.

    There is nothing but his word that he was pushed by the police. And we know that he started fighting them first. I doubt his story, yes.
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    re: Gang of NYPD cops beating up on 84 year-old man for jaywalking [W:129]

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    re: Gang of NYPD cops beating up on 84 year-old man for jaywalking [W:129]

    It's interesting how a fellow who has lived here for 50 years, the majority of his life, can't speak english when getting a ticket but somehow gives clear english responses to questions asked in english by reporters.

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    re: Gang of NYPD cops beating up on 84 year-old man for jaywalking [W:129]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    First, they time the crossings for old people. But I've also seen plenty of old people cross when they didn't have a light. Why should I believe his story automatically just because he makes the claim that he crossed with the light/signal?

    Second, you fight a ticket in court, not while it is being given to you. You won't win fighting it while it is being issued. You just won't. But you have a pretty good chance of doing so in court, especially if you are an old man who was crossing the street.

    The cops didn't "rough him up", particularly not for jaywalking but also not for not speaking English. It doesn't really take speaking a language to realize that you don't act like an idiot around cops, trying to grab things from them or fight them or leave when they are talking to you/issuing you a ticket.

    And he admitted that he got scared when the cop talked into the radio that he was calling for backup despite the fact that he couldn't understand the officer. It would be much more reasonable to assume that the cop was calling for someone to translate what he was being cited for than to automatically assume the cop called for "backup". But then he started trying to take something (his ID) from the officer before there was someone even there to enable communication between them, and fighting the officers arresting him.

    There is nothing but his word that he was pushed by the police. And we know that he started fighting them first. I doubt his story, yes.
    Frankly, I've lived and traveled in many big and small cities and I haven't encountered one traffic light that timed for elderly to walk safely at their speed not to mention that they often times have to stop midway for impatient left turn vehicles who wouldn't stop to let the elderly finish the course.

    Bottomline is he is an 84 year-old elderly man caught in the traffic light change at the junction. It's not a jaywalking. Even if it was, the police should have just let him pass like they do all the time for people who were caught driving over the speed limit. Besides, the jaywalking law wasn't even publicly broadcasted to the public when they put into effect in such a short notice. And it's a non-criminal offense. And yes, the police officers did rough him up. It doesn't take several cops to handle an elderly man. By that number alone it is an overkill.
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    re: Gang of NYPD cops beating up on 84 year-old man for jaywalking [W:129]

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    I imagine you and Excon are disappointed they didn't taser this criminal before attacking and arresting him.

    I would only feel this way if he was christian. I'm ok with tasing Christians

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    re: Gang of NYPD cops beating up on 84 year-old man for jaywalking [W:129]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    It's interesting how a fellow who has lived here for 50 years, the majority of his life, can't speak english when getting a ticket but somehow gives clear english responses to questions asked in english by reporters.
    He spoke Cantonese during the interview, his son or someone translated what he said to the reporters in English.

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    re: Gang of NYPD cops beating up on 84 year-old man for jaywalking [W:129]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post


    And he admitted that he got scared when the cop talked into the radio that he was calling for backup despite the fact that he couldn't understand the officer.

    He better get scared. Calling for back up means you're liable to be beaten to death.

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    re: Gang of NYPD cops beating up on 84 year-old man for jaywalking [W:129]

    Quote Originally Posted by dolphinocean View Post
    He spoke Cantonese during the interview, his son or someone translated what he said to the reporters in English.
    I guess I missed the part where that was said. It does begger belief though, 50 years immersed in English and can only speak Cantonese and Spanish? We're not talking the sharpest knife in the drawer here.

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    re: Gang of NYPD cops beating up on 84 year-old man for jaywalking [W:129]

    Quote Originally Posted by dolphinocean View Post
    Frankly, I've lived and traveled in many big and small cities and I haven't encountered one traffic light that timed for elderly to walk safely at their speed not to mention that they often times have to stop midway for impatient left turn vehicles who wouldn't stop to let the elderly finish the course.

    Bottomline is he is an 84 year-old elderly man caught in the traffic light change at the junction. It's not a jaywalking. Even if it was, the police should have just let him pass like they do all the time for people who were caught driving over the speed limit. Besides, the jaywalking law wasn't even publicly broadcasted to the public when they put into effect in such a short notice. And it's a non-criminal offense. And yes, the police officers did rough him up. It doesn't take several cops to handle an elderly man. By that number alone it is an overkill.
    I've lived in many large cities, a pedestrian in them all for the most part, since I can't drive. I know that they time the signals to walk for older people. Honolulu, Waikiki were notorious for having people, especially older people hit by cars. They ensured that their signals were timed for the slowest people. Unfortunately, that means that people have to obey them. It doesn't mean that you can automatically cross the street with a green light. It means crossing the street with an actual walk signal, not the flashing hand and especially not the solid hand.

    It is only his word that he was caught in the middle vice actually crossing when he shouldn't have, jaywalking. And that is something fought in court, not on the street. The jaywalking laws have been around forever. They aren't new. The only thing new is the increased enforcement of those laws, but the laws themselves have been in place for a very long time. They are not required to ensure every single person is aware of the increased enforcement of existing laws.

    From the picture I saw, the man was trying to sit down on them. There were 4 maybe 5 cops around, 2 trying to hold the guy up, a female cop that looked like she was trying to talk to him, and then one or two others looking either at him or at the area. Didn't see any evidence that they were doing anything wrong in having that many there.
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