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    Power corrupts. A small group of police across the country are creating a stench to the reputation of fine police officers.

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    re: Gang of NYPD cops beating up on 84 year-old man for jaywalking [W:129]

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Good thing it didn't happen here in California. They could have killed him, and it would have been all good.
    Sadly it in acceptable in many other states.
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    re: Gang of NYPD cops beating up on 84 year-old man for jaywalking [W:129]

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    Power corrupts. A small group of police across the country are creating a stench to the reputation of fine police officers.


    A small group of police across the country
    Name these *alleged* corrupt group of police across the country

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    re: Gang of NYPD cops beating up on 84 year-old man for jaywalking [W:129]

    I don't think the NYC jaywalking law has been there long. At most the strict implementation was very recent, as recent as 12 hours ago after a pedestrian was hit by a car nearby.

    So, I don't expect the old man knew about the jaywalking law. Also, he was crossing at the traffic light junction with a host of other pedestrians when the light was green but it turned red by the time he got to the other side where the officer nailed him. Why couldn't one or maybe two police officers handle an elderly person without excessive use of force? Pushing an old man against the wall and then to the ground for what? A violent crime of jaywalking? C'mon.

    Police officers frequently give warning and issue no ticket for speeding or other vehicular traffic violation so why would NYPD cops be so tough on an elderly man who simply couldn't get to the other side on time due to the trafic light timing catering only to the young and able persons?


    Manhattan man, 84, ticketed for jaywalking to file $5 million lawsuit against city - NY Daily News

    Kang Chun Wong has lived in the same Upper West Side neighborhood for nearly five decades. He owned the popular La Nueva Victoria restaurant on Broadway while raising three sons, and now spends his retirement doting on his grandchildren and socializing with friends at a senior center in Chinatown.

    Then suddenly on Jan. 19, while returning to his W. 97th St. apartment, Wong walked right into a nightmarish police operation hatched by the local precinct commander in response to a spate of fatal pedestrian accidents.

    His head, arm and ribs still sore from the violent confrontation with cops, Wong told the Daily News he is in disbelief that a lifetime of abiding by the law could be turned upside down — with him knocked unconscious on the street, handcuffed in a hospital emergency room and facing a litany of criminal charges.

    Wong maintains the traffic signal was green when he stepped off the curb at the southeast corner of 96th St. and Broadway to cross, but it may have turned red by the time the octogenarian reached the other side, where an unidentified cop stopped him and demanded to see his identification

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    When the cop began walking away with his card, Wong said he followed after him. “I was very puzzled and I was very scared,” he said. “I had no idea why I had been stopped. I used Cantonese and said give me back my ID.”

    In response to Wong’s repeated requests for his card back, the cop whipped out handcuffs and spoke into his portable radio. “I got more scared,” Wong said.

    Several officers raced over and grabbed Wong, pushing him against the wall of a building. Wong said he was pushed to the ground and struck his head, blacking out. When he regained consciousness, blood was streaming down his face and his hands were cuffed behind his back.

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    re: Gang of NYPD cops beating up on 84 year-old man for jaywalking [W:129]

    As long as this man isn't pro-life, he'll be just fine in NY. They might beat him again sometime, but the city will pay every time it happens. The, ah, governor would view that as a win-win.

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    re: Gang of NYPD cops beating up on 84 year-old man for jaywalking [W:129]

    This sounds suspicious as a story.

    First of all, if the light turned red before he made it across, it is highly likely that he did not have a walk signal (and the crosswalk looks like one that would have an actual signal).

    Second, if you live in this country for almost 50 years and don't speak/understand English, that really is an issue and this should prove that. You need to at least be able to communicate, even to a small extent with emergency personnel or police, especially after being in this country for that long.

    Plus, from what I was reading it sounds like he was fighting them. Anyone should know that you should not be fighting the police or even trying to. And that fighting could have lead to the fall causing his injury. I don't see any proof that the police "beat" him. Failed to prevent him from falling, due most likely to him fighting the police, sure.

    There have been a lot of people killed because they jaywalked, including/especially older people. Yes, it can be inconvenient to get a ticket for jaywalking and even waiting to get that ticket written out. It is even possible that the police officer was calling for an interpreter for the old man, not backup, when he flipped out (in his words "I got more scared").
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    re: Gang of NYPD cops beating up on 84 year-old man for jaywalking [W:129]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    This sounds suspicious as a story.

    First of all, if the light turned red before he made it across, it is highly likely that he did not have a walk signal (and the crosswalk looks like one that would have an actual signal).

    Second, if you live in this country for almost 50 years and don't speak/understand English, that really is an issue and this should prove that. You need to at least be able to communicate, even to a small extent with emergency personnel or police, especially after being in this country for that long.

    Plus, from what I was reading it sounds like he was fighting them. Anyone should know that you should not be fighting the police or even trying to. And that fighting could have lead to the fall causing his injury. I don't see any proof that the police "beat" him. Failed to prevent him from falling, due most likely to him fighting the police, sure.

    There have been a lot of people killed because they jaywalked, including/especially older people. Yes, it can be inconvenient to get a ticket for jaywalking and even waiting to get that ticket written out. It is even possible that the police officer was calling for an interpreter for the old man, not backup, when he flipped out (in his words "I got more scared").
    I imagine you and Excon are disappointed they didn't taser this criminal before attacking and arresting him.

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    re: Gang of NYPD cops beating up on 84 year-old man for jaywalking [W:129]

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    I imagine you and Excon are disappointed they didn't taser this criminal before attacking and arresting him.
    Why would they need to taser him? It should be obvious that the main problem was a lack of communication and an overreaction on his part here. IF more information comes out, then it could also possibly be said that the cops overreacted as well, but from what I've seen/read so far, the overreaction was on the part of the old man. He overreacted to being given a ticket for jaywalking. Jaywalking is still an offense, best fought in court not during the issuance of a ticket. An automatically assuming that the cop is calling for backup rather than someone to translate is an overreaction on the old man's part.
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    re: Gang of NYPD cops beating up on 84 year-old man for jaywalking [W:129]

    We are a nation of laws. This isn't the wild west anymore where people can do whatever they want. No one regardless of age or lack of their lack of being able to speak the English language is immune from punishment for breaking the law. Obey the law or be prepared to suffer the consequences. Respect the law.
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    re: Gang of NYPD cops beating up on 84 year-old man for jaywalking [W:129]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    This sounds suspicious as a story.

    First of all, if the light turned red before he made it across, it is highly likely that he did not have a walk signal (and the crosswalk looks like one that would have an actual signal).

    Second, if you live in this country for almost 50 years and don't speak/understand English, that really is an issue and this should prove that. You need to at least be able to communicate, even to a small extent with emergency personnel or police, especially after being in this country for that long.

    Plus, from what I was reading it sounds like he was fighting them. Anyone should know that you should not be fighting the police or even trying to. And that fighting could have lead to the fall causing his injury. I don't see any proof that the police "beat" him. Failed to prevent him from falling, due most likely to him fighting the police, sure.

    There have been a lot of people killed because they jaywalked, including/especially older people. Yes, it can be inconvenient to get a ticket for jaywalking and even waiting to get that ticket written out. It is even possible that the police officer was calling for an interpreter for the old man, not backup, when he flipped out (in his words "I got more scared").
    He is an 84 year-old old man. He crossed the street at the traffic junction like most all elderly people who dare to cross a busy traffic street do. When the walk signal turned green for the pedestrians he was crossing with a group of people crossing the street but being old he just took longer to get there before the green light turned red. How's that even jaywalking?

    Shouldn't the cops be there helping the elderly cross the street safely even when the light changes?

    The old man at least spoke two languages, his native Cantonese and Spanish. Not speaking English is no reason for the cops to rough him up. He didn't just lost his balance. He was pushed into the wall and then to the ground where he hit his head and lost consciousness momentarily. When you grabbed and pushed somebody to the wall and to the ground where he hit his head a few times you are just as good as beating him. It makes no difference if you have a hard object in your hand and pounding against somebody's head or bring his head to pound against the hard object, the effect is the same.
    Last edited by dolphinocean; 01-28-14 at 03:59 PM.

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