What do you mean "No that is not what the pics show"?
Originally Posted by roguenuke
Didn't the pictures show the old man on the ground bloodied and with his hands handcuffed behind him? Wasn't he under police arrest then? Or did the pictures show the police attending to his well being following a fall?
You are missing the point here regarding DV scenario. The argument stemmed from your requirement for picture to be shown of the pushing to the ground and knock unconscious. You are not making any counterpoint regarding my rebuttal of your argument that no picture shows the old man being pushed to the ground nor knocked unconscious. When you have a he said-she said situation without video or picture evidence you still can piece together witnesses' account and other circumstantial and physical evidence to determine whose account is more likely and whose story is not plausible.
In this case we have a witness account and video of cops lifting him up from the ground while handcuffed and pictures of the old man bloodied on the ground with his hands handcuffed behind his back plus your argument that the police arrested him because he pushed the cop. By your own admission the intent of the cop was to execute an arrest because the old man pushed him back when the cop pulled him back. Your own argument supports and solidifies all the circumstantial and physical evidence pieced together with what the old man said and what the witness said which are very much consistent to what the old man said.
But, not only you failed miserably in your own logic, but you also missed the whole picture.
The police shouldn't even have given the old man a jaywalking ticket to begin with let alone treating him like a criminal by standing him up against the wall and pulling him back as if he had committed a serious crime. This cop should have exercise his discretion like the police officer at Time Square who stopped his police car to let jaywalkers cross the street despite the red "No Walking" light signal.
And also this jaywalking law was a knee-jerk reaction to recent car accident involving pedestrian deaths and was implemented shortly within 12 hours of the accident without adequate public notice. It was also not even a citywide policy but an impromptu precinct decision put into effect that looked more like milking the people than to protect their safety.
And to rub salt into the wound, the police refused to disclose to his son where he was hospitalized. Then took him into custody till next morning to book and charge him with crimes more severe than
DUI that could put him up to a year in jail:
84-Year-Old Jaywalker Could Get Jail While Deadly Drivers Get Off Scot-Free | Streetsblog New York City
Kang Wong was charged with obstruction of government administration, resisting arrest, and disorderly conduct, according to reports. The first two charges are class A misdemeanors — more severe than a first-time DWI charge. Obstruction of government administration carries a sentence of up to a year in jail. While Wong is looking at jail time,
the Times reported Sunday that unnamed prosecutors blamed vehicular crimes statutes and the courts for their failure to charge drivers who killed three pedestrians and a cyclist last weekend.
In each case, detectives from the Police Department’s collision investigation squad examined the scenes. Commissioner William J. Bratton said last week he would expand investigations of serious crashes, an effort that began last year. But such cases remain difficult to bring, prosecutors say, and have grown more so in recent years as the state Court of Appeals has limited the ability to make serious charges stick against drivers.
Of the 10 crashes that have killed pedestrians and cyclists in 2014, no drivers were charged with homicide or assault. It is true that judges and juries tend to side with those who commit vehicular crimes, but prosecutors who are complaining to the press about the difficulty of securing convictions against motorists should also be making their case to Albany legislators, who have the power to change laws.
To seriously reduce traffic injuries and deaths, the mayor’s office, NYPD, and city district attorneys must be in sync. With 10 people dead, no motorists held accountable, and a pedestrian jailed, what New Yorkers have seen so far in 2014 is closer to chaos.
It's just outrageous and excessively overkill. To an octogenarian, no less.