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    re: Gang of NYPD cops beating up on 84 year-old man for jaywalking [W:129]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No I don't. I know what my debate is and what my points are. Apparently you have no clue though. The man was accused (via ticket) of jaywalking. If he wishes to contest the ticket, he does so in court and it is then the officer's responsibility to prove the man jaywalked and did so in a manner that actually violated the law (he began crossing after without the proper signal). The issuance of that ticket was not the reason for his arrest. The reason for his arrest was his pushing/struggling with the cop, basically throwing an impatient tantrum because he was being given a jaywalking ticket. That is also the reason for his injury. Had he not struggled with/pushed the police officer, he would neither have been arrested nor likely have ended up with an injury. He is at fault.
    Sure you have to if you insist on dismissing the old man's account without showing the basis. Of are you just plain racist against Oriental people?

    Watch the video, you have to prove that the old man had actually struggled rather than reactive to being grabbed and pulled back.

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    re: Gang of NYPD cops beating up on 84 year-old man for jaywalking [W:129]

    Quote Originally Posted by dolphinocean View Post
    Sure you have to if you insist on dismissing the old man's account without showing the basis. Of are you just plain racist against Oriental people?

    Watch the video, you have to prove that the old man was actually struggled rather than reactive to being grabbed and pulled back.
    No I don't. The witness that you yourself has quoted says that the man pushed the cop first. That is plenty enough evidence that the man started the physical confrontation that led to his arrest.
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    re: Gang of NYPD cops beating up on 84 year-old man for jaywalking [W:129]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No I don't. The witness that you yourself has quoted says that the man pushed the cop first. That is plenty enough evidence that the man started the physical confrontation that led to his arrest.
    Yes you do need to prove your case when you positively claimed "He is at fault" in your last post.

    Here's what the witness said:

    The cop tried to pull him back, and that’s when he began to struggle with the cop,” said King, 24. “As soon as he pushed the cop, it was like cops started running in from everywhere.”

    Now, eat that.

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    re: Gang of NYPD cops beating up on 84 year-old man for jaywalking [W:129]

    Quote Originally Posted by dolphinocean View Post
    Yes you do need to prove your case when you positively claimed "He is at fault" in your last post.

    Here's what the witness said:

    The cop tried to pull him back, and that’s when he began to struggle with the cop,” said King, 24. “As soon as he pushed the cop, it was like cops started running in from everywhere.”

    Now, eat that.
    Wow. The cop pulled him back because you cannot walk away from a cop giving you a ticket. You simply can't. That in itself is against the law (not to mention the cop still had his ID card). Pulling the guy back did not do any damage to him at all. The man had no reason to struggle with the cop. But instead of simply calmly returning to the cop, he instead pushed the officer. That too is illegal.
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    re: Gang of NYPD cops beating up on 84 year-old man for jaywalking [W:129]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Wow. The cop pulled him back because you cannot walk away from a cop giving you a ticket. You simply can't. That in itself is against the law (not to mention the cop still had his ID card). Pulling the guy back did not do any damage to him at all. The man had no reason to struggle with the cop. But instead of simply calmly returning to the cop, he instead pushed the officer. That too is illegal.
    So, that justifies the cop to push the octogenarian to the wall and then to the ground to execute an arrest?

    The old man reacting reflexively to being grabbed and pulled back did damage to the cop? How?

    Prove the old man struggled with the cop rather than just turned reflexively towards the cop as shown in the video I linked to above.

    So, instead of conceding to your error about what the witness said, you just skipped it entirely pretending it wasn't there.
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    re: Gang of NYPD cops beating up on 84 year-old man for jaywalking [W:129]

    Quote Originally Posted by dolphinocean View Post
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    Do you think that helps your case of saying there was harassment, when there clearly wasn't?
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    re: Gang of NYPD cops beating up on 84 year-old man for jaywalking [W:129]

    Quote Originally Posted by dolphinocean View Post
    So, that justifies the cop to push the octogenarian to the wall and then to the ground to execute an arrest?

    The old man reacting reflexively to being grabbed and pulled back did damage to the cop? How?

    Prove the old man struggled with the cop rather than just turned reflexively towards the cop as shown in the video I linked to above.

    So, instead of conceding to your error about what the witness said, you just skipped it entirely pretending it wasn't there.
    Prove it was a reflex. Prove the man was pushed to the ground and didn't just fall. Prove that the police took any inappropriate actions with arresting this man. Injury to the man doesn't prove it because unfortunately at times when executing an arrest, injuries do happen. This particular injury was really minor too.

    The cop did not hit, strike, or push the man first. The man should not have walked away from the police officer either. Plus, according to the old man, he didn't walk away, just tried to ask for his ID card back. So which one is telling the truth, the witness or the old man? Either way, it looks bad for the old man. If he is telling the truth about not walking away, it means the officer most likely didn't touch him first at all, since it wouldn't be necessary. If the witness is telling the truth, then it means the old man is lying or confused about the circumstances of the incident, which ruins his credibility on what exactly occurred.
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    Re: Gang of NYPD cops beating up on 84 year-old man for jaywalking [W:129]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Prove it was a reflex. Prove the man was pushed to the ground and didn't just fall. Prove that the police took any inappropriate actions with arresting this man. Injury to the man doesn't prove it because unfortunately at times when executing an arrest, injuries do happen. This particular injury was really minor too.

    The cop did not hit, strike, or push the man first. The man should not have walked away from the police officer either. Plus, according to the old man, he didn't walk away, just tried to ask for his ID card back. So which one is telling the truth, the witness or the old man? Either way, it looks bad for the old man. If he is telling the truth about not walking away, it means the officer most likely didn't touch him first at all, since it wouldn't be necessary. If the witness is telling the truth, then it means the old man is lying or confused about the circumstances of the incident, which ruins his credibility on what exactly occurred.
    Doesn't work that way when you discount the old man and concluded he was at fault.

    The old man said he was pushed against the wall, then to the ground and when he came to from unconsciousness he was handcuffed, which is what the picture showed exactly. Here's the media report of what he said:

    Manhattan man, 84, ticketed for jaywalking to file $5 million lawsuit against city - NY Daily News

    In response to Wong’s repeated requests for his card back, the cop whipped out handcuffs and spoke into his portable radio. “I got more scared,” Wong said.

    Several officers raced over and grabbed Wong, pushing him against the wall of a building. Wong said he was pushed to the ground and struck his head, blacking out. When he regained consciousness, blood was streaming down his face and his hands were cuffed behind his back.

    If the person was just falling, why was he immediately handcuffed on the ground? Didn't you said it was illegal and a no-no for the old man to walk away or push the officer? So, is it a stretch to see that what the old man said is consistent with police take down of subject to execute an arrest as noted in the picture of the old man on the ground and handcuffed behind him?

    You still have not concede your numerous errors.

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