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Los Angeles California - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest

VanceMack said:
Ramos snapped and committed the criminal act. You cannot threaten to beat the **** out of someone in any circumstance. But hey...feel free to try it. Go find a cop, tell him to get out of your way and if he doesnt comply, ball up your fist and threaten to beat the **** out of him. And dont worry...late, you can explain to the judge that it was really just an empty threat to get a public servant to do what you pay him to do. Im thinking you should have smooooooooooooth sailing.
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You see, in a police state, it's perfectly OK for the cops to do what you're describing.
 
Dittohead not! said:
You see, in a police state, it's perfectly OK for the cops to do what you're describing.
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Part of the problem is that 1-people defend all cop actions regardless of the obvious criminal nature or that 2-people never consider the vast majority of cops that do a great job every day. We arent anywhere near a police state...but that doesnt mean we dont have a healthy dose of abusive ****heads that are cops.
 
Excon said:
No Dave, you are wrong.
The only turd here is what you say. So get swallowing.
It was a hollow threat made in an attempt to gain compliance from Kelly. It was not acted upon.
Kelly's later actions caused both Officers to act.
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Black is white and hot is cold and dark is light. I see the substance of your nonsense and realize that you can never admit when you are wrong. The Flat Earth Society is looking for recruits and I think pretty soon your great demonstrable growth of intellectual vacuity will get you free admission.
 
VanceMack said:
My take on this is precise.
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:doh Obviously not.


VanceMack said:
He sent 15:27 engaged in a power play, getting more and more angry and frustrated every tic, until he snapped and committed a criminal act which led to a violent confrontation that didnt have to happen.
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Ridiculous.
The time shows Ramos was far too patient with Kelly's non-cooperation.
And there was no snapping. :doh You are really making some absurd comments here.


VanceMack said:
He threatened to beat the **** out of him, then did, and his actions caused a suspects death.
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Wrong. Nothing but absurd exaggeration.
He made a hollow threat in an attempt to gain compliance It that was not acted upon.

Kelly's later actions caused both Officers to react. You know, the other Officer. Officer Wolfe, the who had nothing to do with the hollow threat.
He was reacting to Kelly's actions just like Ramos was. Not upon any hollow threat.
 
DaveFagan said:
Black is white and hot is cold and dark is light. I see the substance of your nonsense and realize that you can never admit when you are wrong. The Flat Earth Society is looking for recruits and I think pretty soon your great demonstrable growth of intellectual vacuity will get you free admission.
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You are the only one spouting nonsense.
 
Excon said:
:doh Obviously not.


:naughty
Ridiculous.
The time shows Ramos was far too patient with Kelly's non-cooperation.
And there was no snapping. :doh You are really making some absurd comments here.


Wrong. Nothing but absurd exaggeration.
He made a hollow threat in an attempt to gain compliance It that was not acted upon.

Kelly's later actions caused both Officers to react. You know, the other Officer. Officer Wolfe, the who had nothing to do with the hollow threat.
He was reacting to Kelly's actions just like Ramos was. Not upon any hollow threat.
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The time shows Ramos was acting like a child engaged in a power play with another child and when he didnt get his way he threatened to beat the **** out of the guy. And lets see...THREATENED to beat the **** out of him...BEAT the **** out of him. Dood is dead and only you find that a 'hollow threat.'

No LE officer I have ever known would have responded like that. But since you think it is no big deal... I really encourage you try it with an officer and report back the results.
 
VanceMack said:
The time shows Ramos was acting like a child engaged in a power play with another child and when he didnt get his way he threatened to beat the **** out of the guy. And lets see...THREATENED to beat the **** out of him...BEAT the **** out of him. Dood is dead and only you find that a 'hollow threat.'
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No dude!
:doh

Nothing but more absurd exaggeration. You clearly have lost it.
He made a hollow threat in an attempt to gain compliance. Period. It that was not acted upon.

Kelly's later actions caused both Officers to react. You know, the other Officer. Officer Wolfe, the who had nothing to do with the hollow threat.
He was reacting to Kelly's actions just like Ramos was. Not upon any hollow threat.
 
Excon said:
No dude!
:doh

Nothing but more absurd exaggeration. You clearly have lost it.
He made a hollow threat in an attempt to gain compliance. Period. It that was not acted upon.

Kelly's later actions caused both Officers to react. You know, the other Officer. Officer Wolfe, the who had nothing to do with the hollow threat.
He was reacting to Kelly's actions just like Ramos was. Not upon any hollow threat.
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Thats what you call a 'criminal act.' But again...all you have to do is try it out. Hey...have someone tape it and put it on the YouTube for us...mmmkay?

Its a very ugly mixture of comical, sad, and pathetic that you are actually defending the cop.
 
VanceMack said:
Ramos snapped and committed the criminal act. You cannot threaten to beat the **** out of someone in any circumstance. But hey...feel free to try it. Go find a cop, tell him to get out of your way and if he doesnt comply, ball up your fist and threaten to beat the **** out of him. And dont worry...later, you can explain to the judge that it was really just an empty threat to get a public servant to do what you pay him to do. Im thinking you should have smooooooooooooth sailing.
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Absolutely and not with rank and file ....with chiefs of dept

Verbal threat/alleged clinched fist means squat

There's was NO follow through

Ignorance of the law is no excuse

Read up and inform yourself
 
ric27 said:
Absolutely and not with rank and file ....with chiefs of dept

Verbal threat/alleged clinched fist means squat

There's was NO follow through

Ignorance of the law is no excuse

Read up and inform yourself
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Please go try it...see how that works out for you. Now...I wont bother you with EVERY code...but the Texas and California law reads as thus...

Texas Penal Code 22.07(a)(2) states that a "person commits an offense if he threatens to commit any offense involving violence to any person or property with intent to ... place any person in fear of imminent serious bodily injury."

California Penal Code 422 PC defines the crime of "criminal threats" (formerly known as terrorist threats).

A "criminal threat" is when you threaten to kill or physically harm someone and

that person is thereby placed in a state of reasonably sustained fear for his/her safety or for the safety of his/her immediate family,
the threat is specific and unequivocal and
you communicate the threat verbally, in writing, or via an electronically transmitted device.1

Criminal threats can be charged whether or not you have the ability to carry out the threat...and even if you don't actually intend to execute the threat.

You know...just in case you want to "read up"....
 
VanceMack said:
Thats what you call a 'criminal act.' But again...all you have to do is try it out. Hey...have someone tape it and put it on the YouTube for us...mmmkay?

Its a very ugly mixture of comical, sad, and pathetic that you are actually defending the cop.
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Still more absurdity. And the only thing criminal was Kelly's resistance.

Stop being so emotional.
Kelly was in the wrong, so get over it.
 
VanceMack said:
Please go try it...see how that works out for you. Now...I wont bother you with EVERY code...but the Texas and California law reads as thus...

Texas Penal Code 22.07(a)(2) states that a "person commits an offense if he threatens to commit any offense involving violence to any person or property with intent to ... place any person in fear of imminent serious bodily injury."

California Penal Code 422 PC defines the crime of "criminal threats" (formerly known as terrorist threats).

A "criminal threat" is when you threaten to kill or physically harm someone and

that person is thereby placed in a state of reasonably sustained fear for his/her safety or for the safety of his/her immediate family,
the threat is specific and unequivocal and
you communicate the threat verbally, in writing, or via an electronically transmitted device.1

Criminal threats can be charged whether or not you have the ability to carry out the threat...and even if you don't actually intend to execute the threat.

You know...just in case you want to "read up"....
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:doh
Attempt to have an Officer, who acted in official capacity and within his training, charged with such, and watch yourself get laughed out of the Office.
 
Excon said:
:doh
Attempt to have an Officer, who acted in official capacity and within his training, charged with such, and watch yourself get laughed out of the Office.
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I see. So, you believe that police officers are above the law.
 
Excon said:
More absurdity from you. Figures.
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You're the one who posted that getting a cop charged with assault, which is the law that was being explained, would get you laughed out of the office.

If I were charged with assault, would anyone "laugh the accuser out of the office?"
 
Dittohead not! said:
You're the one who posted that getting a cop charged with assault, which is the law that was being explained, would get you laughed out of the office.

If I were charged with assault, would anyone "laugh the accuser out of the office?"
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:doh
The law had nothing to do with an Officer Performing lawful acts.
Which is why he would be laughed out of the Office.
 
Excon said:
:doh
The law had nothing to do with an Officer Performing lawful acts.
Which is why he would be laughed out of the Office.
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Assault is not a lawful act unless you're above the law.
 
Excon said:
More absurdity from you. Figures.
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This is great. The only reason to post is because you are like a non swimmer who has fallen into the septic tank and is just barely able to get his nose above the great gooey gobs of last week's steak and eggs. Just keep squirmin'. Maybe the facts of the matter will change or you'll sink.
 
DaveFagan said:
This is great. The only reason to post is because you are like a non swimmer who has fallen into the septic tank and is just barely able to get his nose above the great gooey gobs of last week's steak and eggs. Just keep squirmin'. Maybe the facts of the matter will change or you'll sink.
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More absurdity from you. It was expected.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Assault is not a lawful act unless you're above the law.
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And there was no assault.
That is what you are not getting.
An Officer acting in a an Official Capacity and within training. is one acting within the law.
Do you really not know that?
 
Excon said:
And there was no assault.
That is what you are not getting.
An Officer acting in a an Official Capacity and within training. is one acting within the law.
Do you really not know that?
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When you ball up your fist and offer to beat the (bleep!) out of someone, that is assault.

When you actually do beat the (bleep!) out of them, than that is battery.

And assault is against the law, at least for most of us.
 
Dittohead not! said:
When you ball up your fist and offer to beat the (bleep!) out of someone, that is assault.
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No it wasn't.
It was hollow, made as an attempt by a Law Enforcement Officer to gain compliance.


Dittohead not! said:
When you actually do beat the (bleep!) out of them, than that is battery.
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Which isn't what happened.
Two strikes to his face, with the taser, a measurable and controlled response to Kell's grabbing and attempting to take the taser, caused the visible damage.


Dittohead not! said:
And assault is against the law, at least for most of us.
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And this was not an assault. As I said. That is what you are not getting.


240. An assault is an unlawful attempt, coupled with a present
ability, to commit a violent injury on the person of another.
CA Codes (pen:240-248)​

There was no unlawful attempt to commit a violent injury.
 
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Excon said:
NO it wasn't.
It was hollow, made as an attempt by a Law Enforcement Officer to gain compliance.


Which isn't what happened.
Two strikes to his face, with the taser, a measurable and controlled response to Kell's grabbing and attempting to take the taser, caused the visible damage.



And this was not an assault. As I said. That is what you are not getting.
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I get that's what you're saying. I just think you're wrong.
 
Dittohead not! said:
I get that's what you're saying. I just think you're wrong.
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And again.
This was not an assault. ...

240. An assault is an unlawful attempt, coupled with a present
ability, to commit a violent injury on the person of another.
CA Codes (pen:240-248)​

There was no unlawful attempt to commit a violent injury.
 
Hatuey said:
Doesn't mean much. Juries are found to have been in the wrong quite regularly.
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True, but just like SCOTUS decisions they stand no matter what folks uninvolved in the case say.
 
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