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    Re: Los Angeles California - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Of course it can be wrong even with the evidence at hand. Which is why it gets over turned.
    Wrong.





    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    There is no such thing as a "hollow threat" from an armed individual. You are simply wrong, swallow the turd and move along.
    Any turd swallowing needs to be done by you because you are wrong.
    There is to such a thing as a hollow threat.
    In this case it was an attempt to gain compliance and was not acted upon.





    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Threatening to beat someone is assault. It is a criminal action, even if no battery takes place after the assault.
    What an absurd thing to say. An attempt to gain compliance is not an assault, or criminal.
    As testified to, but for the foul language, the Officers actions were within their training. You seem not to understand that fact.
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    Re: Los Angeles California - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Try an experiment. GO stand in front of a cop somewhere...then attempt to tell a passing citizen to get out of your way or you are going to (ball up your fist and put it in his face first) beat the **** out of him. See how well that goes over. Hey...heres one. Go to work and threaten a subordinate that if they dont clean out that fry trap you are going to (ball up your fist and put it in his face first) beat the **** out of him. Then...in front of a cop tell your kid if he doesnt mow the yard you are going to (ball up your fist and put it in his face first) beat the **** out of him.

    The exchange with the individual should have lasted about a minute. Hi...how are you doing. We have reports you were seen trying to break into these cars. Can you tell me your name? Do you have ID? OK sir...well..very sorry about this but we are going to have to take you in to the station. Would you mind standing up? Thanks for cooperating...Im sure we can get this squared away right away. Im sorry...no? OK then...this is what we call a pressure point....and...cuffs...and please mind your head sir...

    Dispatch, this is Officer Ramos...we are 10-19...back at station in 15.

    Done in under 5 minutes. No need for anyone to get a beat down.
    Nothing you have said changes the fact that, as testified to, but for the foul language, the Officer's actions were within their training.


    Every encounter is different. Your idea of how things should go is ideal. Not how things go all the time. And definitely not how they went this time.

    And in this case Kelly was the wrong, in his failure to comply and resistance.





    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Apparently it wasn't hollow...they gave him a pretty good going over.

    As already addressed.
    Iwas a hoillow threat and was not acted upon.
    The attempt to get him to comply was separated by other events which cause the Officers to react to Kelly's action.
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    Re: Los Angeles California - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Nothing you have said changes the fact that, as testified to, but for the foul language, the Officer's actions were within their training.


    Every encounter is different. Your idea of how things should go is ideal. Not how things go all the time. And definitely not how they went this time.

    And in this case Kelly was the wrong, in his failure to comply and resistance.






    As already addressed.
    Iwas a hoillow threat and was not acted upon.
    The attempt to get him to comply was separated by other events which cause the Officers to react to Kelly's action.
    Regardless of Kelly's 'wrong' actions, the police officer should have better handled the situation. His actions were criminal. Kellys actions were stupid. Citizens shouldnt ought to be killed by Law Enforcement officials for the crime of being stupid.

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    Re: Los Angeles California - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Regardless of Kelly's 'wrong' actions, the police officer should have better handled the situation. His actions were criminal. Kellys actions were stupid. Citizens shouldnt ought to be killed by Law Enforcement officials for the crime of being stupid.
    Woulda, shoulda, coulda.

    You are again speaking of an ideal situation which this was not.

    And since it wasn't, it is absurd to expect such.

    And ideally when a person is tasered it has an effect, but not here.
    And then it took 6 Officers to subdue Kelly. 6, not 2, 3, 4, or even 5, but six. And that was after multiple taserings.
    And you want to speak of ideal situations?
    Sorry, that doesn't fly.

    And no it wasn't criminal.
    Besides the Jury 's verdict, you seem to have missed the part that their actions fell within their training, which makes them non-criminal.
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    Re: Los Angeles California - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    And no it wasn't criminal.
    Besides the Jury 's verdict, you seem to have missed the part that their actions fell within their training, which makes them non-criminal.
    100%, this is the problem. This sort of action is the standard procedure.

    Someday, I'm telling you, they are going to do this to someone that isn't resisting...and they will be surrounded...and the angry mob will have their way. I don't know how that notion isn't sitting in the back of their head. Maybe that will change the procedure across the country. People aren't going to put up with this much longer.

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    Re: Los Angeles California - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelJR View Post
    100%, this is the problem. This sort of action is the standard procedure.
    Shedding light on areas that Officers are in need of enhanced/further training, is not a problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelJR View Post
    Someday, I'm telling you, they are going to do this to someone that isn't resisting...and they will be surrounded...and the angry mob will have their way.
    One: It is highly unlikely Officers would have to act in such a manner to subdue someone who isn't resisting, so your scenario is absurd.
    Two: And that is assuming the Officers are doing something wrong. Which, like in this case, they were not.


    But since you seem to like the idea so much.
    Here is a video for your enjoyment.

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    Re: Los Angeles California - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Woulda, shoulda, coulda.

    You are again speaking of an ideal situation which this was not.

    And since it wasn't, it is absurd to expect such.

    And ideally when a person is tasered it has an effect, but not here.
    And then it took 6 Officers to subdue Kelly. 6, not 2, 3, 4, or even 5, but six. And that was after multiple taserings.
    And you want to speak of ideal situations?
    Sorry, that doesn't fly.

    And no it wasn't criminal.
    Besides the Jury 's verdict, you seem to have missed the part that their actions fell within their training, which makes them non-criminal.
    Ive been on literally THOUSANDS of crisis calls with law enforcement where they handled REAL crisis situations in far less ideal situations with professionalism.

    Just reflect on what you are defending. A law enforcement officer spent 15:27 arguing and sniping at a smartass homeless guy and let him get him so pissed off he first threatened to beat the **** out of him, then...did so.

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    Re: Los Angeles California - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Ive been on literally THOUSANDS of crisis calls with law enforcement where they handled REAL crisis situations in far less ideal situations with professionalism.

    Just reflect on what you are defending. A law enforcement officer spent 15:27 arguing and sniping at a smartass homeless guy and let him get him so pissed off he first threatened to beat the **** out of him, then...did so.
    The length of time or duration of *said incident* means squat

    What matters is their actions *the LEOs* in this regard were lawful

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    Re: Los Angeles California - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    The length of time or duration of *said incident* means squat

    What matters is their actions *the LEOs* in this regard were lawful
    Actually...the length of time is quite relevant. It answers the question "how long does it take for a bad cop to lose his temper and commence to beating someone to death?" 15:27

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    Re: Los Angeles California - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Ive been on literally THOUSANDS of crisis calls with law enforcement where they handled REAL crisis situations in far less ideal situations with professionalism.

    Just reflect on what you are defending. A law enforcement officer spent 15:27 arguing and sniping at a smartass homeless guy and let him get him so pissed off he first threatened to beat the **** out of him, then...did so.
    And again. Every encounter is different and this was not an ideal one.
    Kelly was tasered multiple times to no effect. You do understand that, right?
    It then took six Officers to finally subdue him. you do get that. right? With the weight of one or all inadvertently crushing Kelly's chest, causing asphyxiation. You do understand what inadvertent means, right?


    Spent 15:27 arguing and sniping at a smart ass homeless guy?
    You can blame Kelly's non-cooperation for that too. And it took that long to be able to conduct a search of his bag where property which did not belong to him was found. Commencing with preparations for a pat-down.


    Apparently all you are being is emotive about this.


    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    It answers the question "how long does it take for a bad cop to lose his temper and commence to beating someone to death?" 15:27
    Yep! Emotive.
    Speaking ridiculous exaggerations that did not happen.
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