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    Re: Los Angeles California - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    I agree with that, but not the rest, as it wasn't correct.

    He failed to cooperate.
    A hollow threat was made in an attempt to get the non-cooperative lying game playing Kelly to comply, and in return Kelly verbally showed he was not fearful of that hollow threat and actually enticed the Officer to strike him.

    Instead of following through with the hollow threat (you know, because it being hollow means it wasn't really a threat) Officer Ramos again tried to get Kelly to comply to his verbal instruction. Kelly still wouldn't, and while attempting to do so, Officer Ramos pushed Kelly's arm it the direction he want him to put it. Kelly then tries to lay hands on the Officer, of which the Officer swipes it away. Kelly then becomes belligerent by standing up to confront the Officer. He is ordered to get on the ground but refuses to comply and attempts to flee. At which time both Officers begin swinging their batons and striking Kelly. He is brought down out of camera and the rest ensues.

    Kelly failed to cooperate after the non-threat and became belligerent.
    As testified to, besides the foul language, nothing the Officers did was outside of their training. It was not criminal.
    Kelly was resisting so greatly that multiple tasering had no affect him.
    His resistance was so great that it took multiple Officers beyond the tasering to subdue him, and in the struggle his chest was inadvertently crushed.

    What happened was not negligent or criminal in any way shape or form.
    To start with, he spent 15:27 fighting and arguing with the guy. Thats just not bright. Its bad policing. Then he physically and verbally threatened assault.

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    Re: Los Angeles California - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    To start with, he spent 15:27 fighting and arguing with the guy. Thats just not bright. Its bad policing.
    Because Kelly wouldn't cooperate. And?
    Not illegal.

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Then he physically and verbally threatened assault.
    A hollow threat as an attempt to gain compliance.
    A hollow threat, is a hollow threat and was not acted upon.
    Pretty obvious too, especially has he was putting on latex to conduct a pat-down.

    And, as testified to, but for the foul language, within training. So not illegal.
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    Re: Los Angeles California - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    More absurdity.
    No it does not mean it was wrong. It can not be wrong if the decision was within the known evidence and the law. That is what you are not getting.
    The Jury weighs the evidence, and are the trier of fact. Their decision cannot be wrong if it was within the known evidence and the law.

    What you present only means that the verdict can not stand because of new evidence.
    Not that it was wrong.

    If the evidence is overwhelming that it is clear the person did not commit the the crime, they may not be recharged. A Prosecutors decision.
    But they may be recharged regardless, and a new jury will consider this new evidence as well to reach a new verdict.

    But it does not mean the verdict reached previously was wrong, as that verdict was based on what was known at the time.
    Of course it can be wrong even with the evidence at hand. Which is why it gets over turned.
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    Re: Los Angeles California - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Of course it can be wrong even with the evidence at hand. Which is why it gets over turned.
    Completely absurd...

    Good luck...in overturning a Not guilty verdict

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    Re: Los Angeles California - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Because Kelly wouldn't cooperate. And?
    Not illegal.

    A hollow threat as an attempt to gain compliance.
    A hollow threat, is a hollow threat and was not acted upon.
    Pretty obvious too, especially has he was putting on latex to conduct a pat-down.

    And, as testified to, but for the foul language, within training. So not illegal.
    There is no such thing as a "hollow threat" from an armed individual. You are simply wrong, swallow the turd and move along.

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    Re: Los Angeles California - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Of course it can be wrong even with the evidence at hand. Which is why it gets over turned.
    What gets overturned? You can't overturn an innocent verdict.
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    Re: Los Angeles California - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Because Kelly wouldn't cooperate. And?
    Not illegal.

    A hollow threat as an attempt to gain compliance.
    A hollow threat, is a hollow threat and was not acted upon.
    Pretty obvious too, especially has he was putting on latex to conduct a pat-down.

    And, as testified to, but for the foul language, within training. So not illegal.
    Threatening to beat someone is assault. It is a criminal action, even if no battery takes place after the assault.
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    Re: Los Angeles California - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Because Kelly wouldn't cooperate. And?
    Not illegal.

    A hollow threat as an attempt to gain compliance.
    A hollow threat, is a hollow threat and was not acted upon.
    Pretty obvious too, especially has he was putting on latex to conduct a pat-down.

    And, as testified to, but for the foul language, within training. So not illegal.
    Try an experiment. GO stand in front of a cop somewhere...then attempt to tell a passing citizen to get out of your way or you are going to (ball up your fist and put it in his face first) beat the **** out of him. See how well that goes over. Hey...heres one. Go to work and threaten a subordinate that if they dont clean out that fry trap you are going to (ball up your fist and put it in his face first) beat the **** out of him. Then...in front of a cop tell your kid if he doesnt mow the yard you are going to (ball up your fist and put it in his face first) beat the **** out of him.

    The exchange with the individual should have lasted about a minute. Hi...how are you doing. We have reports you were seen trying to break into these cars. Can you tell me your name? Do you have ID? OK sir...well..very sorry about this but we are going to have to take you in to the station. Would you mind standing up? Thanks for cooperating...Im sure we can get this squared away right away. Im sorry...no? OK then...this is what we call a pressure point....and...cuffs...and please mind your head sir...

    Dispatch, this is Officer Ramos...we are 10-19...back at station in 15.

    Done in under 5 minutes. No need for anyone to get a beat down.

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    Re: Los Angeles California - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Because Kelly wouldn't cooperate. And?
    Not illegal.

    A hollow threat as an attempt to gain compliance.
    A hollow threat, is a hollow threat and was not acted upon.
    Pretty obvious too, especially has he was putting on latex to conduct a pat-down.

    And, as testified to, but for the foul language, within training. So not illegal.

    Apparently it wasn't hollow...they gave him a pretty good going over.


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    Re: Los Angeles California - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest

    These cops need to realize they go home at night. Someday, this will happen to someone who's family decides enough is enough....and they'll follow these cops home. Can't say I'll feel bad.

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