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    Re: Los Angeles California - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    The goal of law enforcement is to gain voluntary compliance.

    If that means by a cop presence *magnifico/great*...if not, then LE goes up on the use of force continuum and if *said suspect* has enough of a commitment to fight a cop, the individual will continue to resist until LE can physically *whatever it takes* change his/her mind.

    The end result to police use of force, is always to take the suspect into custody with the least likelihood injury or death to, the officer FIRST..that's right, the LEO's safety comes first and the suspect, last. *Said* policies usually assign a range of tools for a range of suspect resistance. Within a range of resistance, any of the specified tools or skills may be used and are considered equally appropriate.

    All depart's use of force policy must be compliant with existing case law. If an officer acts within policy and case law, the officer is good to go thus, the NOT GUILTY verdict in this riveting case
    If you can look at that video and watch that clown of a cop spend 15:27 getting more and more angry to the point that he violated the law in order to try to get the suspect to comply...I can only hope you are not only NOT a cop but not remotely related to ANYONE in the LE field.

    I work with cops daily. Ive been on thousands of crisis calls with actual dangerous felons. The clown you continue to defend is an embarrassment to LE...thats probably why he got fired, huh? Oh...wait...you actually think its OK that cops do whatever they want to gain compliance...

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    Re: Los Angeles California - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    that you continue to defend the actions of a piss poor
    I am not defending you.


    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    that allowed himself to get into a 15:27 second power play and lost and then threatened to beat the **** out of a suspect (and then did) in violation of clearly cited California law,
    Your spin is again noted. An Officer acting within the law is not doing anything illegal, no matter how much you want it to be.


    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    or your continued assertion that the absolute obvious and factual reality is somehow clouded by 'emotion'.
    And it is your emotion that was speaking.
    As there was no obvious violation of the law. They were not even charged with it.


    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Its a hilariously bad debate 'tactic' and one which obviously only you and your sidekick in failure seem to embrace. But hey...considering your options...I guess its all you have.
    What is a hilariously bad debate tactic is letting your emotions make allegations that the facts don't support, like you have done.
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    Re: Los Angeles California - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    If you can look at that video and watch that clown of a cop spend 15:27 getting more and more angry to the point that he violated the law in order to try to get the suspect to comply...I can only hope you are not only NOT a cop but not remotely related to ANYONE in the LE field.

    I work with cops daily. Ive been on thousands of crisis calls with actual dangerous felons. The clown you continue to defend is an embarrassment to LE...thats probably why he got fired, huh? Oh...wait...you actually think its OK that cops do whatever they want to gain compliance...
    Still parroting the delusional bs you've been sold

    Not knowing the state's laws or the policies and procedures of that depart, you have no basis for stating your continued ignorance on this matter

    Use of Force Matrix (a guide that leads a LEOs response to a suspect's actions) does not differentiate between age, sex or physical/mental defects.

    Cops don't go mano a mano/hand to hand with an idividual if they can t help it. In LE work you should always try to meet their level of force with one plus level higher. Suspect says "no I ain't going to the tank", you put them in an escort position and cuff them up.

    Dumbass swings to hit you, you use a baton/pepper/flashlight/taser/whatever. They use a baton/flashlight/pipe/knife/taser, you use a gun

    End of story

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    Re: Los Angeles California - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest

    “The law is reason, free from passion.”
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    Re: Los Angeles California - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Still parroting the delusional bs you've been sold

    Not knowing the state's laws or the policies and procedures of that depart, you have no basis for stating your continued ignorance on this matter

    Use of Force Matrix (a guide that leads a LEOs response to a suspect's actions) does not differentiate between age, sex or physical/mental defects.

    Cops don't go mano a mano/hand to hand with an idividual if they can t help it. In LE work you should always try to meet their level of force with one plus level higher. Suspect says "no I ain't going to the tank", you put them in an escort position and cuff them up.

    Dumbass swings to hit you, you use a baton/pepper/flashlight/taser/whatever. They use a baton/flashlight/pipe/knife/taser, you use a gun

    End of story
    I'm still speaking truth and you are still defending a scumbag clown of a cop that couldnt handle a routine call.

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    Re: Los Angeles California - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    I am not defending you.


    Your spin is again noted. An Officer acting within the law is not doing anything illegal, no matter how much you want it to be.


    And it is your emotion that was speaking.
    As there was no obvious violation of the law. They were not even charged with it.


    What is a hilariously bad debate tactic is letting your emotions make allegations that the facts don't support, like you have done.
    You continue to defend the criminal act of a cop that couldnt handle a routine call, that committed a criminal act, and then 'beat the ****' out of the guy.

    You go, boy...

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    Re: Los Angeles California - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You continue to defend the criminal act of a cop that couldnt handle a routine call, that committed a criminal act, and then 'beat the ****' out of the guy.

    You go, boy...
    More absurdity. Figures.
    You are just ignoring the evidence and speaking emotive drivel as usual.
    There was no criminal act, and he did not beat the **** out of Kelly.
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    Re: Los Angeles California - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Ah, you left out *sue*like in $$$$$

    Again, your emotions impede rational thought regarding, the law and yes, you will be seeing in the future....a huge settlement for, the officers for wrongful termination/serious libel and slander.

    This is just the beginning
    It shouldn't be too difficult for a family member to get their hands on a deer rifle, sighted in at 300 yards or so. That would be the only way for justice to be served.

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    Re: Los Angeles California - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    It shouldn't be too difficult for a family member to get their hands on a deer rifle, sighted in at 300 yards or so. That would be the only way for justice to be served.
    Let me add: Although this would be justice, if this situation actually happened to me I would want to administer justice to this officer, but I would end up living with his action. It would not do my wife or children any good for me to end up in prison or worse thus adding one injustice onto another. Although I would desire revenge, I would defer my anger and trust God to work it out in the end.

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    Re: Los Angeles California - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    More absurdity. Figures.
    You are just ignoring the evidence and speaking emotive drivel as usual.
    There was no criminal act, and he did not beat the **** out of Kelly.
    There is no emotional response. The "evidence" is clear. The piss poor excuse of a cop arrived on scene, didnt get wha he wanted, engaged in a 15:27 power play which he lost all the while getting more and more angry, then balled up his fist, put it in the suspects face and told him he was going to "beat the **** out of him" violating California law, and then proceeded to do just that.

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