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    Re: Los Angeles California - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest

    I believe Excon is just playing devil's advocate. No one is that stupid or uncaring.

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    Re: Los Angeles California - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    You don't have to tell me. Tell the next delusional paranoid you meet.
    There you go....now, you get it

    There is no nice way to arrest a potentially dangerous, combative suspect.

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    Re: Los Angeles California - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post

    No. I actually posted the relevant legal code from California. His actions were legal.
    What you posted was legal code from Texas, which is not relevant to an Officer in California. And even if this had taken place in Texas, still not relevant as his actions were still legal.


    Emotive tripe!


    Emotive tripe.
    The amount of time showed just how patient he was being with Kelly.
    Nor did he commit a crime.
    He made a hollow threat, that was not acted upon, in an attempt to gain compliance from Kelly. As testified to, but for the foul language his actions were within training. They were not illegal or a crime.


    The hollow threat that was not acted upon, is separated by events from Kelly that caused both officers to react. That reaction had absolutely nothing to do with any hollow threat made.
    Kelly resisting brought about his own death.
    No...I posted BOTH the Texas AND California penal code. You can try to deny it all you want.You can ignore the facts all you want and cling to your defense of a worthless scumbag cop that is such a slug he couldnt handle a basic face to face with an unocoperative suspect without losing his temper, violating the law, and then beating the **** out of the guy.

    Your defense of him is...sad...

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    Re: Los Angeles California - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    There you go....now, you get it

    There is no nice way to arrest a potentially dangerous, combative suspect.
    Horse****. LE does this every day. Hell Ive seen cops talk people in active psychosis talk them into putting the cuffs on themselves. This individual was not delusional or paranoid but if he WAS...hell thats even MORE of a reason for them to handle him differently.

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    Re: Los Angeles California - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Horse****. LE does this every day. Hell Ive seen cops talk people in active psychosis talk them into putting the cuffs on themselves. This individual was not delusional or paranoid but if he WAS...hell thats even MORE of a reason for them to handle him differently.
    Oh, "I've seen cops" or "I've taken calls for whatever"....means squat

    Watch your lane markers. If you are not a LEO, you have no idea what its like to be a LEO in a street fight at 3am or any other time for that matter. The officer did what he could as well as he could of at the time. If he was in my *framework* Id still be buying him beers for taking care of business.

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    Re: Los Angeles California - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Oh, "I've seen cops" or "I've taken calls for whatever"....means squat

    Watch your lane markers. If you are not a LEO, you have no idea what its like to be a LEO in a street fight at 3am or any other time for that matter. The officer did what he could as well as he could of at the time. If he was in my *framework* Id still be buying him beers for taking care of business.
    Good lord. Thats just sad.

    He spent 15:27 getting punked and getting angry (meanwhile the other officer was able to communicate and cooperate just fine). Then your boy lost his temper, committed a crime by threatening to beat the **** out of the suspect (hey...did you bother to "read up" on the actual LAW?) and as a result of his ****ty police work, got a guy killed. And you would still be buying him beers. Well...yep...I guess that about does it.

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    Re: Los Angeles California - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    I believe Excon is just playing devil's advocate. No one is that stupid or uncaring.

    Excuse me?

    Apparently your comments more accurately reflect upon you than they do upon me.

    If you hadn't noticed I stated that if what he says is true, it is excessive force.

    The problem with it possibly being true is that his story and the circumstances cast suspicion on his claim.
    Stupid would be not recognizing that. And that is hardly uncaring.
    “The law is reason, free from passion.”
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    Re: Los Angeles California - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    No...I posted BOTH the Texas AND California penal code.

    You posted irrelevant Texas penal code.
    It didn't apply to California, nor to the facts of this case.
    You then also included a definition from what you believe is the applicable California penal code. Not that actual Penal Code itself.
    Which actually appears as an act of deception.
    I later provided the actual Penal Code, which does not apply to this case because he did not make an unlawful attempt to commit a violent injury.


    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You can try to deny it all you want.You can ignore the facts all you want


    You are the only one clinging, denying and ignoring the facts.
    His actions were within his training. They were legal. Stop ignoring the facts.


    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Your defense of him is...sad...

    What is sad, is you not defending his legal actions.
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    Re: Los Angeles California - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post

    You posted irrelevant Texas penal code.
    It didn't apply to California, nor to the facts of this case.
    You then also included a definition from what you believe is the applicable California penal code. Not that actual Penal Code itself.
    Which actually appears as an act of deception.
    I later provided the actual Penal Code, which does not apply to this case because he did not make an unlawful attempt to commit a violent injury.




    You are the only one clinging, denying and ignoring the facts.
    His actions were within his training. They were legal. Stop ignoring the facts.



    What is sad, is you not defending his legal actions.
    I posted 2 states rather than all 50 but as a random measure of sampling. I posted BOTH Texas AND California law. The BOLD was already emphasized. You selectively missed that.

    "Please go try it...see how that works out for you. Now...I wont bother you with EVERY code...but the Texas and California law reads as thus...

    Texas Penal Code 22.07(a)(2) states that a "person commits an offense if he threatens to commit any offense involving violence to any person or property with intent to ... place any person in fear of imminent serious bodily injury."

    California Penal Code 422 PC defines the crime of "criminal threats" (formerly known as terrorist threats).

    A "criminal threat" is when you threaten to kill or physically harm someone and

    that person is thereby placed in a state of reasonably sustained fear for his/her safety or for the safety of his/her immediate family,
    the threat is specific and unequivocal and
    you communicate the threat verbally, in writing, or via an electronically transmitted device.1

    Criminal threats can be charged whether or not you have the ability to carry out the threat...and even if you don't actually intend to execute the threat.

    You know...just in case you want to "read up"...."

    So to recap...you and a select few like minded...ummmmm...people...celebrate a clown cop that spent 15:27 modelling his own incompetence, got angry, committed a criminal act by threatening to beat the **** out of a suspect, then proceeded to beat the **** out of causing the death of a suspect. Buy him another round. You sound like you would all get along great.

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    Re: Los Angeles California - 5000 Angelenos For Kelly Thomas Protest

    422. (a) Any person who willfully threatens to commit a crime which
    will result in death or great bodily injury to another person
    , with
    the specific intent that the statement, made verbally, in writing, or
    by means of an electronic communication device, is to be taken as a
    threat, even if there is no intent of actually carrying it out,
    which, on its face and under the circumstances in which it is made,
    is so unequivocal, unconditional, immediate, and specific as to
    convey to the person threatened, a gravity of purpose and an
    immediate prospect of execution of the threat
    , and thereby causes
    that person reasonably to be in sustained fear for his or her own
    safety or for his or her immediate family's safety, shall be punished
    by imprisonment in the county jail not to exceed one year, or by
    imprisonment in the state prison.

    (b) For purposes of this section, "immediate family" means any
    spouse, whether by marriage or not, parent, child, any person related
    by consanguinity or affinity within the second degree, or any other
    person who regularly resides in the household, or who, within the
    prior six months, regularly resided in the household.
    (c) "Electronic communication device" includes, but is not limited
    to, telephones, cellular telephones, computers, video recorders, fax
    machines, or pagers. "Electronic communication" has the same meaning
    as the term defined in Subsection 12 of Section 2510 of Title 18 of
    the United States Code.

    California Penal Code Section 422 - California Attorney Resources - California Laws

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