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Obama blames media for 'caricature'

I didn't drop the claim. This simply isn't the place to discuss it.

As I said, Republicans can (and have) impede it on the state level. Which was my a very small part of entire point to begin with before you and whats-his-name started talking about other stuff.

You dropped it hard, because it was not reasonable to continue it, from your claim.

Except they do not have to enact that part as it is not a requirement (because it is unconstitutional to force states to do it).
 
No I am not mixing arguments because Obama has accused Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, and the GOP of being the reason that the ACA is in trouble and other of his initiatives have not succeeded. That was the premise of the OP and my purpose for posting in this thread in the first place. And I am arguing that Obama is delusional if he thinks smart people will actually buy that and I have been stating my reasons why. But then I think his remarks are usually not intended for smart people but rather are targeted at those who believe anything he tells them.

But that's not what he said here. You're using this statement that you cited in your OP to try to prove this point? Seriously? He's talking about message, not policy.
 
You dropped it hard, because it was not reasonable to continue it, from your claim.

If you insist. :roll:

Except they do not have to enact that part as it is not a requirement (because it is unconstitutional to force states to do it).

The reason they didn't enact it, in my opinion, was to hurt Obama and the Democrats politically.
 
The reason they didn't enact it, in my opinion, was to hurt Obama and the Democrats politically.

And the real reason is because it would add to their costs. Which is not up for debate, it will add to their costs.
 
And the real reason is because it would add to their costs. Which is not up for debate, it will add to their costs.

If you insist that's the "real reason," then go for it.
 
You have to wonder though. Didn't Obama get elected twice by a comfortable margin? Didn't he get his ACA initiative passed, albeit with 100% Democrat votes? Limbaugh and Fox News and John Boehner weren't able to prevent that. So how does he figure they have the power to make Obamacare the disaster it has been or that they have prevented him from pushing and/or accomplishing his other pet initiatives?

To get back to the original point -- he didn't say that.
 
It is odd you think there is a conspiracy but alrighty then.

Referring to it as a "conspiracy" is a skosh dishonest, since I never said that.
 
Referring to it as a "conspiracy" is a skosh dishonest, since I never said that.

You literally told me republicans are opposed to the (unconstitutional) forced medicaid expansion because they are trying to destroy Obama and democrats politically. Best to keep that argument in the conspiracy forum, bud.
 
You literally told me republicans are opposed to the (unconstitutional) forced medicaid expansion because they are trying to destroy Obama and democrats politically. Best to keep that argument in the conspiracy forum, bud.

No, I said they were intentionally not doing the optional medicaid expansion or setting up exchanges because they want Obamacare to fail, which in turn would hurt the Democrats politically. I don't think that qualifies as conspiracy forum fodder, since attempting to hurt the Democrats politically has been the GOP's main game since January of 2009.

Don't call me bud. I ain't your bud.
 
No, I said they were intentionally not doing the optional medicaid expansion or setting up exchanges because they want Obamacare to fail. That's hardly a conspiracy, since it's pretty well known.

If they had been forced to do it, PPACA would still be the joke it is currently. Your conspiracy theory is noted, and disregarded just as fast.
 
If they had been forced to do it, PPACA would still be the joke it is currently. Your conspiracy theory is noted, and disregarded just as fast.

You can disregard whatever you'd like.
 
You can disregard whatever you'd like.

Yes, your conspiracy theory. The republicans are not out to get you and Obama, democrat Kobie.
 
Haha, sure Kobie, sure. Voting democrat does not mean you are a democrat, sure.

I never once told you who I voted for. You never asked, and I probably wouldn't tell you any way since it's none of your damn business. But please, keep on with your typical devolving of the conversation down to three-word blurbs and extremely thinly veiled personal attacks. It's what you do.

And actually, voting Democrat does not mean you are a Democrat. Being a registered Democrat means you're a Democrat. Which I'm not.
 
It has nothing to do with his policies or personality, but rather his inability to convince you that conservatives are wrong. And so he cant get anything done because people wont allow Republicans in congress to go along with his policies. Because he hasnt been able to prove Rush or Fox wrong.

Does that sound rational to you? Heck, does it sound professional? Isnt it possible that either Obama is simply wrong, or that people dont beleive him?

He claims to be interested in solving problems, but rarely talks to congress or even his own appointees. He claims to be practical, but thinks govt micromanaging everyone is going to work? He thinks a lot of the things hes put into play worked better than people think. Ok, Ill give him that. Expectations are pretty low, so the fact that there was a Obamacare website at all is probably better than expected. I seem to recall Obama joking about shovel ready not being so shovel ready after all. GUess thats his idea of working better than expected?

As Ive said many times before, if Obama would simply get to work, instead of giving interviews, campaigning, and blaming everyone but himself for the poor performance of govt, maybe something would get done. He works a half a mile from Congress. Walk down the street and say hi.


I agree, but I would go further. He is so far left, he can't work with anyone. Plus, he wants everybody just to cave in to his demands. He acts like a 4 year old having a tantrum because he doesn't get his way.
 
I never once told you who I voted for. You never asked, and I probably wouldn't tell you any way since it's none of your damn business. But please, keep on with your typical devolving of the conversation down to three-word blurbs and extremely thinly veiled personal attacks.

It is my business because it literally restricts myself, and others economically and socially.

Is calling you a democrat for voting democrat an attack? Is this another conspiracy thing you have invented?
 
It is my business because it literally restricts myself, and others economically and socially.

No, who I voted for is not your business. If it were, we wouldn't vote via secret ballot. Are you claiming that I am obligated to tell you for whom I cast my vote?

Is calling you a democrat for voting democrat an attack? Is this another conspiracy thing you have invented?

When you attempt to use it as a pejorative, which you very weakly did, then yes.

And again, you don't know how I vote.

In any event, I've indulged you long enough. Ta ta.
 
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No, who I voted for is not your business. If it were, we wouldn't vote via secret ballot.

When you attempt to use it as a pejorative, which you very weakly did, then yes.

And again, you don't know how I vote.

It is my business because it literally restricts myself, and others economically and socially.

That is silly. The fact that you think democrat is a pejorative only speaks to your mindset.

And you still vote democrat.
 
It is my business because it literally restricts myself, and others economically and socially.

That is silly. The fact that you think democrat is a pejorative only speaks to your mindset.

And you still vote democrat.

Sometimes I do. Sometimes I don't. And no, it's none of your business.

Bye bye.
 
And no, it's none of your business.

It is my business because it literally restricts myself, and others economically and socially.

Buh bye.
 
To get back to the original point -- he didn't say that.

Yes, he has said that. And the implication was there again in the New Yorker interview excerpted in the OP. This President, to the best of my knowledge, has never accepted responsibility for anything in his administration that has failed or was not completed as promised. Nothing is ever his fault or doing. It is always somebody else's fault.
 
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