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    Re: Obama blames media for 'caricature'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I didn't drop the claim. This simply isn't the place to discuss it.

    As I said, Republicans can (and have) impede it on the state level. Which was my a very small part of entire point to begin with before you and whats-his-name started talking about other stuff.
    You dropped it hard, because it was not reasonable to continue it, from your claim.

    Except they do not have to enact that part as it is not a requirement (because it is unconstitutional to force states to do it).

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    Re: Obama blames media for 'caricature'

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    No I am not mixing arguments because Obama has accused Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, and the GOP of being the reason that the ACA is in trouble and other of his initiatives have not succeeded. That was the premise of the OP and my purpose for posting in this thread in the first place. And I am arguing that Obama is delusional if he thinks smart people will actually buy that and I have been stating my reasons why. But then I think his remarks are usually not intended for smart people but rather are targeted at those who believe anything he tells them.
    But that's not what he said here. You're using this statement that you cited in your OP to try to prove this point? Seriously? He's talking about message, not policy.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Obama blames media for 'caricature'

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    You dropped it hard, because it was not reasonable to continue it, from your claim.
    If you insist.

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Except they do not have to enact that part as it is not a requirement (because it is unconstitutional to force states to do it).
    The reason they didn't enact it, in my opinion, was to hurt Obama and the Democrats politically.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Obama blames media for 'caricature'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    The reason they didn't enact it, in my opinion, was to hurt Obama and the Democrats politically.
    And the real reason is because it would add to their costs. Which is not up for debate, it will add to their costs.

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    Re: Obama blames media for 'caricature'

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    And the real reason is because it would add to their costs. Which is not up for debate, it will add to their costs.
    If you insist that's the "real reason," then go for it.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Obama blames media for 'caricature'

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    You have to wonder though. Didn't Obama get elected twice by a comfortable margin? Didn't he get his ACA initiative passed, albeit with 100% Democrat votes? Limbaugh and Fox News and John Boehner weren't able to prevent that. So how does he figure they have the power to make Obamacare the disaster it has been or that they have prevented him from pushing and/or accomplishing his other pet initiatives?
    To get back to the original point -- he didn't say that.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Obama blames media for 'caricature'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    If you insist that's the "real reason," then go for it.
    But it is, there is not a huge conspiracy here.

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    Re: Obama blames media for 'caricature'

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    But it is, there is not a huge conspiracy here.
    Alrighty then.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Obama blames media for 'caricature'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Alrighty then.
    It is odd you think there is a conspiracy but alrighty then.

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    Re: Obama blames media for 'caricature'

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    It is odd you think there is a conspiracy but alrighty then.
    Referring to it as a "conspiracy" is a skosh dishonest, since I never said that.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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