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    Re: Obama blames media for 'caricature'

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    In the same ruling that showed PPACA was a new tax (on those making under 250,000 also), SCOTUS correctly argued that Medicaid expansions being forced by the Federal Government were not at all constitutional. And as such, this is the fault of Limbaugh and the GOP together.
    Medicaid expansions weren't forced by the Federal Government. They were opt-in, and many Republican states didn't opt-in (or create their own exchanges). Now, why is that? I have my guess, and it was to impede Obamacare, the welfare of their citizens be damned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Medicaid expansions weren't forced by the Federal Government. They were opt-in, and many Republican states didn't opt-in (or create their own exchanges). Now, why is that?
    They were before the ruling. If you do not expand Medicaid we will remove prior funding, it's in the same ruling.

    Because it literally raises their costs of running their governments.

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    Re: Obama blames media for 'caricature'

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    They were before the ruling. If you do not expand Medicaid we will remove prior funding, it's in the same ruling.

    Because it literally raises their costs of running their governments.
    The Federal government picks up the tab.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    The Federal government picks up the tab.
    Nope, the funding is not 100 percent, forever, just like the current Medicare/Medicaid they do offer in the states. The states have to pay and so does the Federal government, PPACA tried to take away the prior funding if they did not expand. That was unconstitutional (obviously).

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    Re: Obama blames media for 'caricature'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    They push a lot more people onto the exchanges, for one.



    Example?



    It's the GOP governors/legislatures who are refusing to expand Medicaid or set up their own exchanges.

    I hate this source, but here's an analysis of the states that will benefit most from Obamacare. Suprise! It's the states that expanded Medicaid.

    Study: Medicaid Expansion Key Factor in Obamacare Effects - US News and World Report
    Take Oregon as an example. Results there abysmal so far or they were the last time I looked a week or so ago.

    And from your link:
    "It seems like there will be benefits in the short term, and one of the main drivers of the extent to which states will benefit is their decision on Medicaid expansion," says John Kiernan, the study's primary author. "There just seems to be a ton of free money essentially coming from the federal government from the states that do expand Medicaid."
    "Free money?" Where in the heck does he think 'free money' comes from? Who provides that 'free money'? We are already hundreds of billions of dollars over $17 trillion in debt and the debt clock runs faster every single day. Meanwhile millions have lost their jobs, lost their doctors, and lost their affordable healthcare coverage while millions of others have seen their healthcare premiums doubled and tripled. And the exchanges at the federal and state levels aren't helping much.

    And this is the GOP's fault? Rush Limbaugh's fault? Fox News fault? It is because some states, with SCOTUS's blessings I might add, opted out of a system they could not justify and could not afford? Only the most brainwashed Obama supporter could even begin to believe that.
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    Re: Obama blames media for 'caricature'

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Take Oregon as an example. Results there abysmal so far or they were the last time I looked a week or so ago.

    And from your link:


    "Free money?" Where in the heck does he think 'free money' comes from? Who provides that 'free money'? We are already hundreds of billions of dollars over $17 trillion in debt and the debt clock runs faster every single day. Meanwhile millions have lost their jobs, lost their doctors, and lost their affordable healthcare coverage while millions of others have seen their healthcare premiums doubled and tripled. And the exchanges at the federal and state levels aren't helping much.
    There's a whole forum devoted to this particular issue; let's discuss it there rather than hijack the thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    And this is the GOP's fault? Rush Limbaugh's fault? Fox News fault? It is because some states, with SCOTUS's blessings I might add, opted out of a system they could not justify and could not afford? Only the most brainwashed Obama supporter could even begin to believe that.
    You're mixing arguments. I never once said that anything with the ACA was Rush or Fox's fault, except for some of the initial public perceptions of things like the death panel lie. And I also never said that all of the problems with the ACA are all the GOP's fault. Maybe you'd be better served actually reading what I post before accusing me of making arguments I never made.
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    Re: Obama blames media for 'caricature'

    I'd really like to see Obama come out sometime and simply say "You know, some of the dislike, disagreement, and negative sentiment towards me is because people have a fundamental difference of opinion regarding policy".

    I know that'd be CRAZY, but it'd be nice to hear.

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    Re: Obama blames media for 'caricature'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    There's a whole forum devoted to this particular issue; let's discuss it there rather than hijack the thread.

    And I also never said that all of the problems with the ACA are all the GOP's fault.
    It was smart of you to drop your medicaid claim.

    The problems of PPACA can only be attributed to democrats, since no republicans voted for the bill to be put into law.

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    Re: Obama blames media for 'caricature'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    There's a whole forum devoted to this particular issue; let's discuss it there rather than hijack the thread.



    You're mixing arguments. I never once said that anything with the ACA was Rush or Fox's fault, except for some of the initial public perceptions of things like the death panel lie. And I also never said that all of the problems with the ACA are all the GOP's fault. Maybe you'd be better served actually reading what I post before accusing me of making arguments I never made.
    No I am not mixing arguments because Obama has accused Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, and the GOP of being the reason that the ACA is in trouble and other of his initiatives have not succeeded. That was the premise of the OP and my purpose for posting in this thread in the first place. And I am arguing that Obama is delusional if he thinks smart people will actually buy that and I have been stating my reasons why. But then I think his remarks are usually not intended for smart people but rather are targeted at those who believe anything he tells them.
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    Re: Obama blames media for 'caricature'

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    It was smart of you to drop your medicaid claim.
    I didn't drop the claim. This simply isn't the place to discuss it.

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    The problems of PPACA can only be attributed to democrats, since no republicans voted for the bill to be put into law.
    As I said, Republicans can (and have) impede it on the state level. Which was my a very small part of entire point to begin with before you and whats-his-name started talking about other stuff.
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