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    Re: In U.S., 65% Dissatisfied With How Gov't System Works

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Outside of the president's party, unhappiness with federal government size and effectiveness has only grown during his time in office. Republican satisfaction with the government's effectiveness dropped dramatically after Obama's 2008 election, while that of independents fell a bit more gradually.
    If we had an accurate way to measure public hysteria, I'd wager that it has increased at about the same pace. The endless and increasingly shrill doom howling (from all sources) serves to make people who are only half interested to become pessimists.

    It's all they hear, and so they assume that's all there is.

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    Re: In U.S., 65% Dissatisfied With How Gov't System Works

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    If we had an accurate way to measure public hysteria, I'd wager that it has increased at about the same pace. The endless and increasingly shrill doom howling (from all sources) serves to make people who are only half interested to become pessimists.

    It's all they hear, and so they assume that's all there is.
    I tend to agree with that. Americans are very pessimistic about its future.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: In U.S., 65% Dissatisfied With How Gov't System Works

    Quote Originally Posted by WillyPete View Post
    If we had an accurate way to measure public hysteria, I'd wager that it has increased at about the same pace. The endless and increasingly shrill doom howling (from all sources) serves to make people who are only half interested to become pessimists.

    It's all they hear, and so they assume that's all there is.
    PESSIMISM™ is the way to go with anything. PESSIMISTS™ always win. When it goes bad, they are right. When it goes well, OK, so what?

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    Re: In U.S., 65% Dissatisfied With How Gov't System Works

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I tend to agree with that. Americans are very pessimistic about its future.
    It makes me wonder why, with over 300 million of us, and only 500 or so of them governing in DC, that we accept this pessimistic attitude and do nothing about it! Have we truly become the sheep they believe we are? During the 1930s, they had reason to be pessimistic, but they fought back and carried on. Have we become that lazy and unconcerned to care about our future as a nation?

    Greetings, Pero.

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    Re: In U.S., 65% Dissatisfied With How Gov't System Works

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    It makes me wonder why, with over 300 million of us, and only 500 or so of them governing in DC, that we accept this pessimistic attitude and do nothing about it! Have we truly become the sheep they believe we are? During the 1930s, they had reason to be pessimistic, but they fought back and carried on. Have we become that lazy and unconcerned to care about our future as a nation?

    Greetings, Pero.
    Evening Pol, during the great depression we had a leader who provided hope. FDR accomplished and did quite a lot, but even if he did nothing but provide the hope he did, he still would have been a great president and man. Not sooner was the great depression ending when we were thrust into WWII. Our parents lived through perhaps the worst time so far in American History. But they and those before them always had a goal. That goal was to have their kids, their grand kids and the all future kids to inherit a country that was better than the one they were leaving or left. They wanted all their children and future children to have a better life than they had.

    Perhaps they spoiled us too much to ensure we never had to go through what they did. But I think the 60's generation started something, at least part of them did. They begin to want more and more, an easier life, more benefits except unlike generations that proceeded them, they weren't willing to pay the price. They, we started mortgaging our children futures to get and pay for what we have today. I think the time of reckoning is near. Perhaps most do not directly see it, but they also sense it. Whether one admits it, whether one closes his eyes, whether one turns a deaf ear to it, most know and or sense it. Perhaps they don't understand the reason behind it, but pessimism does reign.

    For the first time in our nations history there is a feeling that our kids, grand kids and those to come will be born in a nation where will not have it as good as those leaving. That those coming into this world will be the ones to pay for our excesses. That realization doesn't sit well even if it is a subconscious realization. We sit here and elect people who are not willing to do anything about it out of fear of losing the next election, most of us are unwilling to sacrifice a bit for them to have it as good as we had.

    It does seem as if we aren't really worried about the future of this nation. It is the here and now and I better get mine. Our elected leaders go along with that and promise us more and more and give us more and more on the backs of the very young and those yet unborn. Very few of us will come right out and say it, no one wants to hear it. But we realize it, even if it is only a sense that is registered in a poll of dissatisfaction or anger at the government. We distrust our government, the one we send to represent us, we distrust them as they tell us what we want to hear and we know they are lying to us, but we want to be lied to. So we have become very pessimistic about the future and we should be, we created it. We are responsible for it. Few will admit to it. So be it.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: In U.S., 65% Dissatisfied With How Gov't System Works

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Evening Pol, during the great depression we had a leader who provided hope. FDR accomplished and did quite a lot, but even if he did nothing but provide the hope he did, he still would have been a great president and man. Not sooner was the great depression ending when we were thrust into WWII. Our parents lived through perhaps the worst time so far in American History. But they and those before them always had a goal. That goal was to have their kids, their grand kids and the all future kids to inherit a country that was better than the one they were leaving or left. They wanted all their children and future children to have a better life than they had.

    Perhaps they spoiled us too much to ensure we never had to go through what they did. But I think the 60's generation started something, at least part of them did. They begin to want more and more, an easier life, more benefits except unlike generations that proceeded them, they weren't willing to pay the price. They, we started mortgaging our children futures to get and pay for what we have today. I think the time of reckoning is near. Perhaps most do not directly see it, but they also sense it. Whether one admits it, whether one closes his eyes, whether one turns a deaf ear to it, most know and or sense it. Perhaps they don't understand the reason behind it, but pessimism does reign.

    For the first time in our nations history there is a feeling that our kids, grand kids and those to come will be born in a nation where will not have it as good as those leaving. That those coming into this world will be the ones to pay for our excesses. That realization doesn't sit well even if it is a subconscious realization. We sit here and elect people who are not willing to do anything about it out of fear of losing the next election, most of us are unwilling to sacrifice a bit for them to have it as good as we had.

    It does seem as if we aren't really worried about the future of this nation. It is the here and now and I better get mine. Our elected leaders go along with that and promise us more and more and give us more and more on the backs of the very young and those yet unborn. Very few of us will come right out and say it, no one wants to hear it. But we realize it, even if it is only a sense that is registered in a poll of dissatisfaction or anger at the government. We distrust our government, the one we send to represent us, we distrust them as they tell us what we want to hear and we know they are lying to us, but we want to be lied to. So we have become very pessimistic about the future and we should be, we created it. We are responsible for it. Few will admit to it. So be it.
    Pero, you and I, and millions of others, worked hard for what we have. I think that was mostly due to the fact that we had self respect, and good role models! No one nagged me into working for what I wanted--it was just expected that I would do so because I had watched my entire family and many many others while growing up, and followed in their footsteps.

    That we have a society today that wants and expects everything, with little or no effort on their part, is an indication of decay from within. Others are not doing this to us--we're doing it to ourselves. What can be expected from the youngsters growing up today that may be the third or fourth generation on welfare. They may not know any other way to live. The reckoning will come, though. I don't know what it will be, or when it may happen, but it seems to be nearly inevitable to me. And they will not be prepared. Sad...

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    Re: In U.S., 65% Dissatisfied With How Gov't System Works

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Pero, you and I, and millions of others, worked hard for what we have. I think that was mostly due to the fact that we had self respect, and good role models! No one nagged me into working for what I wanted--it was just expected that I would do so because I had watched my entire family and many many others while growing up, and followed in their footsteps.

    That we have a society today that wants and expects everything, with little or no effort on their part, is an indication of decay from within. Others are not doing this to us--we're doing it to ourselves. What can be expected from the youngsters growing up today that may be the third or fourth generation on welfare. They may not know any other way to live. The reckoning will come, though. I don't know what it will be, or when it may happen, but it seems to be nearly inevitable to me. And they will not be prepared. Sad...
    I agree, the reckoning will arrive. I don't know when but I have a feeling it isn't that far off. It also seems inevitable to me.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: In U.S., 65% Dissatisfied With How Gov't System Works

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Pero, you and I, and millions of others, worked hard for what we have. I think that was mostly due to the fact that we had self respect, and good role models! No one nagged me into working for what I wanted--it was just expected that I would do so because I had watched my entire family and many many others while growing up, and followed in their footsteps.

    That we have a society today that wants and expects everything, with little or no effort on their part, is an indication of decay from within. Others are not doing this to us--we're doing it to ourselves. What can be expected from the youngsters growing up today that may be the third or fourth generation on welfare. They may not know any other way to live. The reckoning will come, though. I don't know what it will be, or when it may happen, but it seems to be nearly inevitable to me. And they will not be prepared. Sad...
    Sorry to break up your pity party but we have only ourselves to blame. We are the ones that promised a better future and didn't deliver. We told our chidren if you go to college and get a degree you will have a good paying job. Guess what? They are not there anymore. The job situation is nothing like it was in the previous generations. Who are their heroes? Sports figures and pop stars that get their money for nothing and their chicks for free. Even Doctors are more concerned with their 401k's than patients. Blame the culture of greed that Reagan's yuppies ushered in. Blame our failure to recognize the sea change in the job market and retrain our workers instead of paying companies to send their jobs away. But don't put the blame on the young, they are products of the world we gave them.

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    Re: In U.S., 65% Dissatisfied With How Gov't System Works

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    In U.S., 65% Dissatisfied With How Gov't System Works
    ...and the other 35% are either on foo stamps or some other kind of welfare.
    Liberals: Demanding the freedom to write laws to take freedoms away from people they don't agree with.

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    Re: In U.S., 65% Dissatisfied With How Gov't System Works

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Sorry to break up your pity party but we have only ourselves to blame. We are the ones that promised a better future and didn't deliver. We told our chidren if you go to college and get a degree you will have a good paying job. Guess what? They are not there anymore. The job situation is nothing like it was in the previous generations. Who are their heroes? Sports figures and pop stars that get their money for nothing and their chicks for free. Even Doctors are more concerned with their 401k's than patients. Blame the culture of greed that Reagan's yuppies ushered in. Blame our failure to recognize the sea change in the job market and retrain our workers instead of paying companies to send their jobs away. But don't put the blame on the young, they are products of the world we gave them.
    : ... We all seem to acknowledge there is a big problem, but why is nothing constructive being done about it? Ignoring it and hoping things will magically change isn't working! Some hard work is going to be required, but few seem to be willing to do what's necessary to turn this around. This country is being run by attorneys who have book learning, but no ideas, so their time is being spent in arguing with each other, and concentrating on one-upmanship instead of trying to work together for the benefit of the people who pay their salaries, and I am including both sides of the aisle! MEH! :

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