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    Re: 50 Years Later, the Incalculable Gift of the Wilderness Act

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    The only time I pack my bear spray is when I am in grizzly country like the Wind River Range. In the Ozarks and Ouachitas I don't carry the spray (less weight the better), but I do hang a bear bag just in case. That is as much to keep foxes and raccoons out of our food as it is bears. There are some big bears in Arkansas though, my brother killed a 350 pound 7 and a half foot tall black bear above Lake Ouachita a few years ago. He had just come out of a deer stand when he saw it. He had a bear tag so went ahead and took it. Was surprisingly good eating. Just had a lot of fat to clean off it.
    It's strange. I see more wild life, bears included on my ranch then I ever do on the trail. I don't use a bear bag (not criticising them or suggesting they shouldn't be used) and only backpack in the winter, keep a large fire going steps from the tent, all night. Btw, outfitters in Wyoming have told me that a gun shot is a dinner bell to grizzlies. So many hunters shooting elk and other game. I also had them tell me that a pistol (which is the best you could be carrying when backpacking) or a bear spray, they would choose bear spray.
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    Re: 50 Years Later, the Incalculable Gift of the Wilderness Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It's strange. I see more wild life, bears included on my ranch then I ever do on the trail. I don't use a bear bag (not criticising them or suggesting they shouldn't be used) and only backpack in the winter, keep a large fire going steps from the tent, all night. Btw, outfitters in Wyoming have told me that a gun shot is a dinner bell to grizzlies. So many hunters shooting elk and other game. I also had them tell me that a pistol (which is the best you could be carrying when backpacking) or a bear spray, they would choose bear spray.
    I have never had much trouble with bears other than one time we did not hang all our food on a backpacking trip in Colorado and got our food bag raided and shredded. Woke up the next morning and saw where it had walked all around our tent, we had just slept right through it. Had our dog with us and he never even stirred. When you were in the Winds did you spend anytime in Pinedale, Wy? Its a cool little town.
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    Re: 50 Years Later, the Incalculable Gift of the Wilderness Act

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I have never had much trouble with bears other than one time we did not hang all our food on a backpacking trip in Colorado and got our food bag raided and shredded. Woke up the next morning and saw where it had walked all around our tent, we had just slept right through it. Had our dog with us and he never even stirred. When you were in the Winds did you spend anytime in Pinedale, Wy? Its a cool little town.
    Yes, though oil exploration is having its effects on that town and area. We stayed in a lodge at half moon lake just above Pinedale and Freemont lake. Also found the exact spot of the 1826 Green River rendezvous! Btw, you're by my daughter, she's a senior at UMKC.
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    Re: 50 Years Later, the Incalculable Gift of the Wilderness Act

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    No, Arkansas is a nice place to live if you like the outdoors and a nice place to grow up, but its not a nice place to try to further your career in. Moved up to Kansas City in 1999.
    And I moved from K.C. in `59`.

    Float the Buffalo at least once a year, but then live on the White below Bull Shoals.

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    Re: 50 Years Later, the Incalculable Gift of the Wilderness Act

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    And I moved from K.C. in `59`.

    Float the Buffalo at least once a year, but then live on the White below Bull Shoals.
    I love the Buffalo, too many people anymore on it though. Its hard to get much solitude unless you go in the winter or early spring. You know it almost ended up being at the bottom of a lake. The conservationist movement to keep that from happening is what lead it to be established as the country's first National River.
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    Re: 50 Years Later, the Incalculable Gift of the Wilderness Act

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I love the Buffalo, too many people anymore on it though. Its hard to get much solitude unless you go in the winter or early spring. You know it almost ended up being at the bottom of a lake. The conservationist movement to keep that from happening is what lead it to be established as the country's first National River.
    True enough. Took awhile to get people to come around to their way of thinking. It has certainly been beneficial. The natural flow and beauty is well worth investigating/exploring.

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    Re: 50 Years Later, the Incalculable Gift of the Wilderness Act

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Snake bites are rarely fatal, and dying from a bear attack is 1 in 10,000,000 or so. It's exposure that kills people in the back country.
    I was bitten by a rattler in Eastern Oregon when I sat on a rock that included his den. Butt strike. I got very very sick but I'm still here. I was treed by a Grizzly in British Columbia. A sow protecting her cub. She tore up my fishing gear. She kept me in the tree for nearly a half hour before finally wandering off with her cub. She was angry. I was lucky. Never saw another Grizzly again in my life. That's OK with me.

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    Re: 50 Years Later, the Incalculable Gift of the Wilderness Act

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    I was bitten by a rattler in Eastern Oregon when I sat on a rock that included his den. Butt strike. I got very very sick but I'm still here. I was treed by a Grizzly in British Columbia. A sow protecting her cub. She tore up my fishing gear. She kept me in the tree for nearly a half hour before finally wandering off with her cub. She was angry. I was lucky. Never saw another Grizzly again in my life. That's OK with me.
    My Grandfather was snake bit twice. Once by a cottonmouth when he was 12. They did not have the money to go to a doctor or a hospital so he just had to sweat it out. I think it like to have killed him. The second time was by a copperhead back in the 84. He went to the hospital for that one. It bit him in the hand and his arm swelled up like Popeye. It is pretty common to get snake bit in Arkansas because the state is absolutely full of snakes. A lot of guys get bit while hauling hay at night down there.
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