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    Re: 50 Years Later, the Incalculable Gift of the Wilderness Act

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    There is also a large herd in Northern Arkansas on the Buffalo. If you have never been there its worth the trip, really, really pretty area.
    I have heard it is beautiful down there. I wont be too far from there and have plans to get out as much as time allows.

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    Re: 50 Years Later, the Incalculable Gift of the Wilderness Act

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    Still, always prudent to take precautions.

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    A gun is largely ineffective against a grizzly because if one is charging you chances are you are not going to be able to hit them and even if you do, it won't kill them before they kill you. Bear spray is a much better option.

    That said, if I was doing a back country trip into the Alaskan Interior or Canadian Yukon, I would want a gun with me in the event I were to become lost and would possibly need something to hunt with to supplement my food stores until I was either found or walked out. A small ax would be a good idea too.
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    Re: 50 Years Later, the Incalculable Gift of the Wilderness Act

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    A gun is largely ineffective against a grizzly because if one is charging you chances are you are not going to be able to hit them and even if you do, it won't kill them before they kill you. Bear spray is a much better option.

    Ha, not likely bro. Yes true if one surprises you and you only have a few feet, but if you have 4 seconds, I can unholster my weapon and get off at least three shots. Anything higher than a 9mm at close range will slow down a Grizzly enough to make him think twice about the whole ordeal. One well placed shot assuming head on will kill him goodo.


    That said, if I was doing a back country trip into the Alaskan Interior or Canadian Yukon, I would want a gun with me in the event I were to become lost and would possibly need something to hunt with to supplement my food stores until I was either found or walked out. A small ax would be a good idea too.
    All true.. Jerky is always a good idea and is mostly light to carry. Matches with wax on the tips, and a vile full of cotton balls soaked in Vaseline is a must.


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    Re: 50 Years Later, the Incalculable Gift of the Wilderness Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Ha, not likely bro. Yes true if one surprises you and you only have a few feet, but if you have 4 seconds, I can unholster my weapon and get off at least three shots. Anything higher than a 9mm at close range will slow down a Grizzly enough to make him think twice about the whole ordeal. One well placed shot assuming head on will kill him goodo.
    Grizzly attacks are rare, but hunters have been attacked by them many times and they are armed of course. The problem is that you will almost never have more than a couple of seconds. Many times you will be in thick undergrowth and not even see the bear until he is almost on you charging you at better than 35 mph.

    Law enforcement agents for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service have experience that supports this reality --
    based on their investigations of human-bear encounters since 1992, persons encountering grizzlies and
    defending themselves with firearms suffer injury about 50% of the time. During the same period, persons
    defending themselves with pepper spray escaped injury most of the time, and those that were injured
    experienced shorter duration attacks and less severe injuries. Canadian bear biologist Dr. Stephen Herrero
    reached similar conclusions based on his own research -- a person’s chance of incurring serious injury from
    a charging grizzly doubles when bullets are fired versus when bear spray is used.
    http://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/...ar%20spray.pdf

    Just saying this because its good to know when in Grizzly country that a 20 dollar can of bear spray can save your life.


    All true.. Jerky is always a good idea and is mostly light to carry. Matches with wax on the tips, and a vile full of cotton balls soaked in Vaseline is a must.
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    A couple of years ago while we were packing up for my son and I to spend a week backpacking in the backcountry in the Wind River Range in Wyoming, I took a picture of our food (a lot of it was kid friendly foods of course) The idea is as lite and calorie dense as possible:

    foodn.jpg

    The basic staples always include freeze dried meals, oatmeal, powdered milk, instant rice, instant potatoes, trail mix and so on.
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    Re: 50 Years Later, the Incalculable Gift of the Wilderness Act

    I'm (or used to be but not as much anymore) an avid outdoor guy. I got my kids and family all in to it as well, but been so busy last few years that we haven't ventured into the true wild, and at best find only a week or so to camp at a place about an hour from us. Still, we do find time to explore the local area woods, and we talk about things that are edible and things that can kill you. One of our favorite past times is scouring the river for fossils. We actually found one last year that was a million years old. My oldest son keeps it on his night stand. That said, I grew up in Canada, and I've been to Alaska, Yukon, and the Northwest Territories, and while I agree pepper spray is useful, I'll always keep a high caliber pistol on my side when in bear, and big-cat country.


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    Re: 50 Years Later, the Incalculable Gift of the Wilderness Act

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Read more here: 50 Years Later, the Incalculable Gift of the Wilderness Act | Field & Stream

    The Wilderness Act celebrates its 50th year this year. I don't know how many people on here have spent any nights miles from the closest road or signs of civilization in the backcountry in one of our federal wilderness areas, but if you haven't you really are missing out.
    I bought a 50 acres of land from "federal wilderness areas". Now i can enjoy wilderness. Not cheap, too.

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    Re: 50 Years Later, the Incalculable Gift of the Wilderness Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    I'm (or used to be but not as much anymore) an avid outdoor guy. I got my kids and family all in to it as well, but been so busy last few years that we haven't ventured into the true wild, and at best find only a week or so to camp at a place about an hour from us. Still, we do find time to explore the local area woods, and we talk about things that are edible and things that can kill you. One of our favorite past times is scouring the river for fossils. We actually found one last year that was a million years old. My oldest son keeps it on his night stand. That said, I grew up in Canada, and I've been to Alaska, Yukon, and the Northwest Territories, and while I agree pepper spray is useful, I'll always keep a high caliber pistol on my side when in bear, and big-cat country.


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    My son and I were doing a float / fishing trip down the Kaw in our canoe a few years ago. He was about 8 or so at the time I think. Anyway, we setup camp on a big sandbar and after I had the tent up and our rods baited I sent him down the sandbar looking for firewood. A few minutes later he came running back with a huge fossil in his hand. It ended up being a Saber Tooth Tiger Femur. He had just found it in the sand there. Evidently fossil hunters head up and down the Kaw every year after the spring floods to look for fossils.

    On a side note, if you are in NY, Adirondack Park can't be far from you. I have never been to it, but have always heard its awesome, some of the more remote wilderness in the east.
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    Re: 50 Years Later, the Incalculable Gift of the Wilderness Act

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    My son and I were doing a float / fishing trip down the Kaw in our canoe a few years ago. He was about 8 or so at the time I think. Anyway, we setup camp on a big sandbar and after I had the tent up and our rods baited I sent him down the sandbar looking for firewood. A few minutes later he came running back with a huge fossil in his hand. It ended up being a Saber Tooth Tiger Femur. He had just found it in the sand there. Evidently fossil hunters head up and down the Kaw every year after the spring floods to look for fossils.

    On a side note, if you are in NY, Adirondack Park can't be far from you. I have never been to it, but have always heard its awesome, some of the more remote wilderness in the east.
    I am in NY and have been there several times. Fossil hunting is really a cool way to pass time, I love doing it.


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    Re: 50 Years Later, the Incalculable Gift of the Wilderness Act

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    Snake bites are rarely fatal, and dying from a bear attack is 1 in 10,000,000 or so. It's exposure that kills people in the back country.

    True. But I pack my large bear spray when in the Wind River Range. I'm not concerned about black bears however in the Boston/Ouachita mountains.
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    Re: 50 Years Later, the Incalculable Gift of the Wilderness Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    True. But I pack my large bear spray when in the Wind River Range. I'm not concerned about black bears however in the Boston/Ouachita mountains.
    The only time I pack my bear spray is when I am in grizzly country like the Wind River Range. In the Ozarks and Ouachitas I don't carry the spray (less weight the better), but I do hang a bear bag just in case. That is as much to keep foxes and raccoons out of our food as it is bears. There are some big bears in Arkansas though, my brother killed a 350 pound 7 and a half foot tall black bear above Lake Ouachita a few years ago. He had just come out of a deer stand when he saw it. He had a bear tag so went ahead and took it. Was surprisingly good eating. Just had a lot of fat to clean off it.
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