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    Re: Chris Christie's New Jersey Is Least Solvent State

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    At least in the last two cycles, they also have the habit of nominating whoever is considered "next in line." McCain in 2004, Romney in 2008. But I think that's too small of a sample size to determine any sort of trend.
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    The Republicans usually nominates the next in line. I suppose Romney fits in there as he ran in 2008. McCain ran in 2000 so his nomination fits the bill. Although he didn't run for Republican nomination in 1996, George W. Bush thought about before declining as did McCain. Dole who ran against Clinton in 1996 was a candidate for the Republican nomination in 1988 and won 5 states. Reagan ran in 1976 against Ford before he was nominated in 1980 and so it goes. The next in line continues. Hopefully 2016 will break the next in line streak.
    I guess "next in line" could be a reasonable way to put it, but I don't see it that way. What I've seen is that the GOP primaries have a variety of candidates and the candidates from the right wing of the party have a habit of "crash and burn" and it's someone from the more moderate and established part of the spectrum who wins the nomination.
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    Re: Chris Christie's New Jersey Is Least Solvent State

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    McCain wasn't "next in line". He tripped into the nomination: it was like an accident.

    Mitt Romney was definitely next in line though. He spent 2006-2012 kissing up to the G.O.P. establishment.
    McCain was the runner-up in the 2000 primaries.

    EDIT: I meant 2008 and 2012 with McCain/Romney, not 2004 and 2008.
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    Re: Chris Christie's New Jersey Is Least Solvent State

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I guess "next in line" could be a reasonable way to put it, but I don't see it that way. What I've seen is that the GOP primaries have a variety of candidates and the candidates from the right wing of the party have a habit of "crash and burn" and it's someone from the more moderate and established part of the spectrum who wins the nomination.
    That was definitely evident in 2012. Not quite as much in 2008 ... the only real whackadoodle was Keyes, and nobody paid him any attention.
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    Re: Chris Christie's New Jersey Is Least Solvent State

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    At least in the last two cycles, they also have the habit of nominating whoever is considered "next in line." McCain in 2004, Romney in 2008. But I think that's too small of a sample size to determine any sort of trend.
    Bush was the outlier. The GOP also nominated Bob Dole for no other reason than he was 'next in line'.

    Frankly I think members of both parties should be disgusted with their choices for candidate. But then...I found Gary Johnson to be a tremendous letdown as well.

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    Re: Chris Christie's New Jersey Is Least Solvent State

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Bush was the outlier. The GOP also nominated Bob Dole for no other reason than he was 'next in line'.

    Frankly I think members of both parties should be disgusted with their choices for candidate. But then...I found Gary Johnson to be a tremendous letdown as well.
    I remember the slate of GOP candidates in 2000 being remarkably underwhelming. Steve Forbes and Alan Keyes actually stuck around for a while. Gore won the Ds in a walk, but IIRC I voted for Bill Bradley in the primary.
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    Re: Chris Christie's New Jersey Is Least Solvent State

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I guess "next in line" could be a reasonable way to put it, but I don't see it that way. What I've seen is that the GOP primaries have a variety of candidates and the candidates from the right wing of the party have a habit of "crash and burn" and it's someone from the more moderate and established part of the spectrum who wins the nomination.
    I think all fringe candidate will crash and burn at some point. I never seriously considered Bachman, Santorium, Gingrich of having a chance of winning the nomination in 2012. It was Romney's to lose and the cash he piled up and spent, he wasn't about to lose even if he had to buy the nomination. By that I mean in every state Romney won he outspent all of his opponents 5-1 and sometimes as high as 10-1. In every state where the money was relative even, Romney lost. So I suppose one could say he bought the nomination.

    The next in line sticks as to the crash and burn fringe candidates. I thought Perry would do much better than he did, but even Perry didn't have the cash to challenge Romney much. But the side shows are pretty interesting and keep us talking even we know in the end the fringe candidates are going nowhere. You have to go back to 1964 to when an establishment or next in line candidate didn't win the republican nomination.
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    Re: Chris Christie's New Jersey Is Least Solvent State

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I think all fringe candidate will crash and burn at some point. I never seriously considered Bachman, Santorium, Gingrich of having a chance of winning the nomination in 2012. It was Romney's to lose and the cash he piled up and spent, he wasn't about to lose even if he had to buy the nomination. By that I mean in every state Romney won he outspent all of his opponents 5-1 and sometimes as high as 10-1. In every state where the money was relative even, Romney lost. So I suppose one could say he bought the nomination.

    The next in line sticks as to the crash and burn fringe candidates. I thought Perry would do much better than he did, but even Perry didn't have the cash to challenge Romney much. But the side shows are pretty interesting and keep us talking even we know in the end the fringe candidates are going nowhere. You have to go back to 1964 to when an establishment or next in line candidate didn't win the republican nomination.
    I was actually surprised Perry didn't do better than he wound up doing. I thought he had just enough Tea Party support to placate the right, while he maintaining his sanity so the moderates didn't flee in droves. But he crapped out pretty quick.
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    Re: Chris Christie's New Jersey Is Least Solvent State

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I was actually surprised Perry didn't do better than he wound up doing. I thought he had just enough Tea Party support to placate the right, while he maintaining his sanity so the moderates didn't flee in droves. But he crapped out pretty quick.
    Yeah, That surprised me too.
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    Re: Chris Christie's New Jersey Is Least Solvent State

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Your last sentence was correct, not the first. He does not appeal to the GOP base. He DOES present as a 'centrist' of sorts and as such appeals to many independent voters. In a state like New Jersey I think he has to. I dont think any of us know what Christie really is or stands for. I dont see him winning the GOP nomination.
    Well, he's in a world of disarray. Don't know if he'll survive. He appears to have peed in his peanut butter.

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    Re: Chris Christie's New Jersey Is Least Solvent State

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I was actually surprised Perry didn't do better than he wound up doing. I thought he had just enough Tea Party support to placate the right, while he maintaining his sanity so the moderates didn't flee in droves. But he crapped out pretty quick.
    Not too shocking actually. Perry just mouthed rhetoric. His 'end' came when he took the position three branches of the fed should be shut down and he couldnt answer which three.

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