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    Re: Virginia’s Moran Announces Retirement From Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    You couldn't do it with a Federal law, obviously. I still don't think it should exist
    A very laudable goal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    I have to agree, in spirit at least. I felt that Hillary was more conservative than Romney. McCain... well... my feelings toward him have more to do with his arrogance than his Conservative credentials. He followed a great man into the Senate by assuming his seat after Goldwater retired when McCain was first elected, and it's hard for anyone to live up to a standard such as that.

    One of the problems that the Republicans have on a national level right now is the ability to answer a simple question: Whether the party wants to lead and govern, or whether they want to continually be the loyal opposition as an outlier minority party that never holds the White House again.

    To lead and govern a diverse country such as the US, the party that leads must be able to make compromises. Or at least say they open to compromise. The Democrats at least have the rhetoric of compromise down. Although all they are doing is lying about it, since the facts show that they are holding a hard left and uncompromising position. We saw that during the government shut down. What they have that the Republicans do not, is the cooperation of the media in promoting the lie of compromise, and the empirical evidence of this is again shown by looking back at the government shut down (although the failure of the Republicans was in the very first position they took by demanding a total de-funding of Obamacare which was ill conceived and failed from it's inception).

    The Republicans have to get back to the true Conservative values that made them a strong and widely supported political party. That does not include the religious right's version of what some could rightly define as religious extremism, and began gaining its hold on the party in the late '80's.
    I agree with this. It has appeared to me for the past 10 years or more that the republicans have been busy triangulating themselves out of the national consciousness in an effort to win a skirmish here and there. The idea that not losing is also not winning somehow escapes them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Probably. I just hate to think that Conservative has been narrowed to mean only the far right (religious right and other extreme rightists). I'm more of a Goldwater Republican, the true Conservative, what the Republican party was built on before the nut bags tried to take over.
    Yea, Conservative doesn't mean the same today as it meant back in the days of Republican sanity. I'm an old Paleocon myself, and so I remember what it used to be like before the crazy took over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Yea, Conservative doesn't mean the same today as it meant back in the days of Republican sanity. I'm an old Paleocon myself, and so I remember what it used to be like before the crazy took over.
    Maybe we will get back there some day. I pray so... no pun intended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    I agree with this. It has appeared to me for the past 10 years or more that the republicans have been busy triangulating themselves out of the national consciousness in an effort to win a skirmish here and there. The idea that not losing is also not winning somehow escapes them.
    The Republicans in power now, would rather feel superior and on the "right" side of the argument than to be actually in charge forming the argument and commanding the agenda.

    On the current path, the Republicans will control great and vast conclaves of local elections, but allow the progressives to control the and grow the federal government by their refusal to lead from a reasonable position which would allow the majority of Americans to agree with them and vote them into power.

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    Re: Virginia’s Moran Announces Retirement From Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Now, while Moran was in a district that is decidedly blue, which Republicans don't have a snowball's chance in hell of taking, other retiring Democrats have held office in districts which were slightly red, thus making it hard to defend those seats. Earlier this year, I predicted that, while Democrats would pick up a few seats, Republicans would still hold the House in the 2014 elections. I now change that prediction. Democrats might actually lose a seat or 2 this year.

    Why do I predict that House will remain Republican? It has to do with the paradigm each party is employing in it's races. While Democrats have a top down approach, which pushes mostly nationally, and relies on coattails of national figures to win local seats in many districts, the Republicans utilize a bottom up approach, concentrating on local races, and then leveraging their wins by taking over states and then gerrymandering their districts. The result is that, while Democrats seem to enjoy an edge these days in presidential races, many states which are considered purple, or even blue, are controlled by Republicans. Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Virginia are good examples of this. They all went for Obama in 2012, but their legislatures, as well as their congressional districts, are mostly Republican.

    Before Democrats start whining about how unfair this is, I must tell them that, if they had thought of this, they would have done it. But it was Republicans who came up with it, and it is Republicans who are enjoying the benefits. Democrats snoozed, and they loozed. LOL.

    Article is here.
    I think if the election were held today, the Democrats would pick up from 1-5 seats. There just isn't that may seats in play. So I agree, the house is safely in Republican hands unless some drastic unforeseen event or two happens between now and election day.

    While the house is stable and not much will change there, the senate is another story. I give the Republicans a 50-50 shot at gaining control there. If the election was held today, the Democrats would retain control. But by the slimmest of margins, in a senate with 50 R and 50 D, Vice President Biden would be casting a lot of tie breaking votes and Reid would retain his Majority Leadership position thanks to Biden and Biden only.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Virginia’s Moran Announces Retirement From Congress

    Somewhere in Virginia a congressional seat is missing its Moran.

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    Re: Virginia’s Moran Announces Retirement From Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    The Republicans in power now, would rather feel superior and on the "right" side of the argument than to be actually in charge forming the argument and commanding the agenda.

    On the current path, the Republicans will control great and vast conclaves of local elections, but allow the progressives to control the and grow the federal government by their refusal to lead from a reasonable position which would allow the majority of Americans to agree with them and vote them into power.
    Yeah, they tacitly agree with the left that stating a conservative position is tantamount to accepting failure. The idea that a conservative approach precludes compromise is one they've bought into assuring them a back seat in national politics. It's hard to imagine the gum sucking that must go on behind closed doors with these guys. My dogs have more imagination. I sometimes think these guys sat in the back benches so long with Jim Wright that the memory is buried in their subconscious permanently and is being passed from generation to generation. Also, I'm confounded by the GOP buying into all the social issue stuff. The left routinely steps in it with this stuff, but as soon as some red neck republican says something - and one of 'em invariably does - the left is off the hook cause we got us another nut job to prove the GOP is lost in the woods. The war on women is a joke, but there was Romney with his binders out there proving that a non-issue is an issue. Drives me nuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Yeah, they tacitly agree with the left that stating a conservative position is tantamount to accepting failure. The idea that a conservative approach precludes compromise is one they've bought into assuring them a back seat in national politics. It's hard to imagine the gum sucking that must go on behind closed doors with these guys. My dogs have more imagination. I sometimes think these guys sat in the back benches so long with Jim Wright that the memory is buried in their subconscious permanently and is being passed from generation to generation. Also, I'm confounded by the GOP buying into all the social issue stuff. The left routinely steps in it with this stuff, but as soon as some red neck republican says something - and one of 'em invariably does - the left is off the hook cause we got us another nut job to prove the GOP is lost in the woods. The war on women is a joke, but there was Romney with his binders out there proving that a non-issue is an issue. Drives me nuts.
    Problem with Romney is that he was so isolated from the lives of everyday Americans that he was totally clueless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Problem with Romney is that he was so isolated from the lives of everyday Americans that he was totally clueless.
    I know. He thought he was doing a good thing when he addressed stuff that was completely outside the realm of his experience. He probably did spend a few years early in his marriage during which he didn't have everything he was accustomed to, but that is the extent of it. Reminds me of John Kerry buying a hunting license and whathisname sticking his head out of a tank hatch. That junk never flies.

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