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    Re: Virginia’s Moran Announces Retirement From Congress

    Reminded me of this:

    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Virginia’s Moran Announces Retirement From Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Reminded me of this:

    Yea, another "Moran" is leaving Congress. LOL.
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    Re: Virginia’s Moran Announces Retirement From Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    How would you make it illegal, when the Constitution, Article 1, Section 4, states that the times, places and manner of holding elections for senators and representatives shall be prescribed in each state by the legislature thereof. So it was the states that were given the authority to decide how those representatives would be elected. They could have set up a proportional representation system, everyone running at large statewide in which case redistricting would never have arisen as a problem. Even though a few states do this, that's not the way it is in all states.
    You couldn't do it with a Federal law, obviously. I still don't think it should exist


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    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    You couldn't do it with a Federal law, obviously. I still don't think it should exist
    Actually, Federal law does come into play a bit. 2 of the districts created by Texas were declared null and void by the Federal courts a couple of years ago, because the state violated the law in purposely diluting the Hispanic voters in those districts.
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    Re: Virginia’s Moran Announces Retirement From Congress

    Is there a good argument for not dismantling the electoral system?

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    Re: Virginia’s Moran Announces Retirement From Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Which should tell you why Gerrymandering should be made illegal. But neither party will do so because it would limit their power.
    Hence the need for a filibuster. The party not in power needs to have a counterbalance to the party in power because the minority party is the only clear head in the room when it comes to abuse of power.

    In other words, if the Senate goes Republican this year I am sure we will see Reid reinstating the filibuster before he steps down...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Hence the need for a filibuster. The party not in power needs to have a counterbalance to the party in power because the minority party is the only clear head in the room when it comes to abuse of power.

    In other words, if the Senate goes Republican this year I am sure we will see Reid reinstating the filibuster before he steps down...
    I don't think he should have gotten rid of it, but of course if the Senate goes Republican, they can set the rules next January.

    The Senate, of course, is elected state-wide so there's no way to Gerrymander. My concern with Gerrymandering is that it almost guarantees that one party will win a particular election, and kind of means that there's no election needed. Technically they have to have it, but like a lot of city mayoral races, the "real" election is the primary.


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    Re: Virginia’s Moran Announces Retirement From Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    You can add NC to your list of purple states that have gone red on the state and local elections but went for Obama both times.
    Romney carreid NC in 2012 ....50.39% to 48.35%

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    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    In the case of NC, it's still slightly red, statewide. The reason it went for Obama both times is that there was not an opponent that many Conservative voters liked, so they stayed home.
    Probably. I just hate to think that Conservative has been narrowed to mean only the far right (religious right and other extreme rightists). I'm more of a Goldwater Republican, the true Conservative, what the Republican party was built on before the nut bags tried to take over.

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    Re: Virginia’s Moran Announces Retirement From Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    This is largely due to the republicans offering unappealing candidates. Neither McCain nor Romney were considered right-leaning at all, and Romney in particular was suspect from the start with bona fides as Governor of the most left-leaning state in the country. George McGovern lost 49 states to Nixon, but won Massachusetts, so there's a history that even the most uninformed voter is aware of. Whether that's dispositive is arguable, but the evidence certainly supports it by the outcome of the elections in those states.
    I have to agree, in spirit at least. I felt that Hillary was more conservative than Romney. McCain... well... my feelings toward him have more to do with his arrogance than his Conservative credentials. He followed a great man into the Senate by assuming his seat after Goldwater retired when McCain was first elected, and it's hard for anyone to live up to a standard such as that.

    One of the problems that the Republicans have on a national level right now is the ability to answer a simple question: Whether the party wants to lead and govern, or whether they want to continually be the loyal opposition as an outlier minority party that never holds the White House again.

    To lead and govern a diverse country such as the US, the party that leads must be able to make compromises. Or at least say they open to compromise. The Democrats at least have the rhetoric of compromise down. Although all they are doing is lying about it, since the facts show that they are holding a hard left and uncompromising position. We saw that during the government shut down. What they have that the Republicans do not, is the cooperation of the media in promoting the lie of compromise, and the empirical evidence of this is again shown by looking back at the government shut down (although the failure of the Republicans was in the very first position they took by demanding a total de-funding of Obamacare which was ill conceived and failed from it's inception).

    The Republicans have to get back to the true Conservative values that made them a strong and widely supported political party. That does not include the religious right's version of what some could rightly define as religious extremism, and began gaining its hold on the party in the late '80's.

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