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    Re: Unemployment Rate Set To Plunge As Bill To Restore Jobless Benefits Fails To Pass

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Ahh you never said anything about "training initiatives".. I agree there... up to a point of course.
    I didn't quote your entire response - just reading it gave me a headache and a distinct desire to punch a wall it was so obtuse.

    The above part I did quote simply because my original comment that you did quote and respond to said very clearly to anyone with passing knowledge of the English language that I agreed with Rand Paul who said that any extension of unemployment insurance benefits had to be paid for and had to include a job training component.
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    Re: Unemployment Rate Set To Plunge As Bill To Restore Jobless Benefits Fails To Pass

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    What's horse **** is presuming that underemployment is the only option. There are many cases where individuals wouldn't be underemployed, just underpaid in their own inflated view of their worth. It may seem trite to you, perhaps someone who believes living off the avails of the working is more honorable than a decent days work, but not to me.

    I'll give an example that may be laughable to you, but I remember a movie titled Kramer vs Kramer where a father was fighting for custody of his child and he lost his high paying job just before his court hearing. He didn't sit back and wait for another high paying job to come his way or wallow in the unfairness. He went out and beat the streets and got a similar job to the one he had, but at the bottom of the ladder at a fraction of his former salary because he needed a job in order to save his hope of keeping custody of his son.

    More people need to get back on the bottom rungs of the ladder and work themselves back up to the positions they had prior to the recession. That's what I'm talking about, not some idiotic example of an accountant working as a janitor.
    Those bottom rungs are getting pretty crowded.
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    Re: Unemployment Rate Set To Plunge As Bill To Restore Jobless Benefits Fails To Pass

    I really enjoy Pete's vision of just paying people in perpetuity if they never want to work. Thank God he'll never influence economic policy in the least.

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    Re: Unemployment Rate Set To Plunge As Bill To Restore Jobless Benefits Fails To Pass

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Those bottom rungs are getting pretty crowded.
    Maybe so. However, anyone with a sense of self-worth and the confidence to prove it isn't going to be bothered.
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    Re: Unemployment Rate Set To Plunge As Bill To Restore Jobless Benefits Fails To Pass

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Maybe so. However, anyone with a sense of self-worth and the confidence to prove it isn't going to be bothered.
    Sense of self worth? Confidence? Oh, you mean someone who hasn't already been to a couple of dozen job interviews without being hired.
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    Re: Unemployment Rate Set To Plunge As Bill To Restore Jobless Benefits Fails To Pass

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Maybe so. However, anyone with a sense of self-worth and the confidence to prove it isn't going to be bothered.
    Ages 20 to 24 years old is the age group with the highest unemployment rate. Pretty much double every other age group. If anything that kind of points to a reality that people have been doing what you mention and it's pushing out people trying to get entry level jobs.
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    Re: Unemployment Rate Set To Plunge As Bill To Restore Jobless Benefits Fails To Pass

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Yes, as low as my opinions are about almost all federal politicians....mine of Reid is even lower.

    He is a real piece of work, that one is (IMO).
    Maintaining Democratic control of the senate and his own majority leadership position is his number one priority. There has been time I think his only priority. As seen in his scuttling and sabotage of the unemployment insurance bill that was a sure thing to pass for a campaign issue shows his only loyalty is to himself and his party. Not to the country or her people.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Unemployment Rate Set To Plunge As Bill To Restore Jobless Benefits Fails To Pass

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Sense of self worth? Confidence? Oh, you mean someone who hasn't already been to a couple of dozen job interviews without being hired.
    Yeah, life is a bitch sometimes, isn't it. Is that you playing the violin in the background?
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    Re: Unemployment Rate Set To Plunge As Bill To Restore Jobless Benefits Fails To Pass

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Ages 20 to 24 years old is the age group with the highest unemployment rate. Pretty much double every other age group. If anything that kind of points to a reality that people have been doing what you mention and it's pushing out people trying to get entry level jobs.
    Perhaps the people in the 20 to 24 yr range aren't acquiring the skills and knowledge necessary to enter the workforce where there is need. How many of those 20 to 24 yr olds have a virtually useless BA in some liberal arts field? Somebody 20 to 24 has no need for 2 plus years of unemployment insurance benefits - period.
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    Re: Unemployment Rate Set To Plunge As Bill To Restore Jobless Benefits Fails To Pass

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Sure cut them off, and remove them from the labour force for being lazy.... but that does not mean that there are jobs for them to get and that is the problem. All it does, is increase the poverty levels.. and I guess that is the strategy of the GOP these days.
    Too bad that this is not accurate.

    Same old Dirty Harry continues his same old dirty tricks with the media's compliance and distortion.
    He is backing a plan crafted by Sens. Jack Reed, D-R.I., and Dean Heller, R-Nev., that would restart the benefits for three months and figure out later how to offset the billions of dollars it would cost the government to do so. Many Republicans, especially in the House, have resisted the idea of writing more benefits checks without a way to pay for them first.

    Reid emphasized it’s his belief that it is “not Republicans, but Republican members of Congress” who are unwilling to extend emergency unemployment benefits. “The vast majority of the American people believe that unemployment benefits should be extended,” he said.
    Reid pressures Republicans to extend emergency unemployment benefits January 5

    It's not unwilling to extend unemployment benefits, it's doing so without paying for them.

    But the other side of the story is much different. I shows a bullying Senator Majority Leader Reid.

    But hopes for a breakthrough were dashed when Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) offered up a mostly Democratic-driven plan that would cover the $18 billion cost of extending the federal benefits through November.

    Senate Republicans were further incensed when Reid told them he would not allow any amendments to the plan.

    “I have been waiting here for more than 24 hours for a reasonable proposal by my Republican friends to pay for this. We don’t have one yet,” Reid said on the floor.

    Republicans lashed out at Reid, arguing that they had put ideas forward and that all they wanted to do was sit down and work out a bipartisan agreement.
    . . . .
    What was shaping up to be a humdrum day on Capitol Hill turned into a firestorm as Majority Leader Harry Reid proposed his own plan to extend unemployment benefits and effectively blocked Republicans from having further say in the matter.
    UI talks stall after Reid locks out Republican changes « Hot Air January 10

    So your aspersions on Republicans, as much as it may make you feel good, isn't based on facts. Sorry about bursting your bubble.

    It's not as if the Democrats have a strong track record of honoring their commitments to cut spending in the future to pay for spending now. Democrats want spending now AND more spending int he future. That's just fiscally irresponsible.

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