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    74% of U.S. Afghan Casualties Came After Obama Ordered Troops Increased

    (CNSNews.com) - Seventy-four percent of the U.S. military personnel who have given their lives serving in the Afghan War died after Feb. 17, 2009, when President Barack Obama announced his first increase in the number of U.S. troops deployed in Afghanistan, according to CNSNews.com’s database of U.S. casualties in the war.

    In the more than twelve years that have passed since U.S. troops first entered Afghanistan with the aim of removing al Qaeda from its sanctuary there, 2,162 U.S. service personnel have given their lives in and around Afghanistan in support of U.S. military activities in that country.

    1,593 of those 2,162 U.S. casualties—or 73.7 percent—have occurred since Feb. 17, 2009, when Obama announced the first of his multiple increases in U.S. military personnel deployed to Afghanistan.

    74% of U.S. Afghan Casualties Came After Obama Ordered Troops Increased | CNS News

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    Re: 74% of U.S. Afghan Casualties Came After Obama Ordered Troops Increased

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    (CNSNews.com) - Seventy-four percent of the U.S. military personnel who have given their lives serving in the Afghan War died after Feb. 17, 2009, when President Barack Obama announced his first increase in the number of U.S. troops deployed in Afghanistan, according to CNSNews.com’s database of U.S. casualties in the war.

    In the more than twelve years that have passed since U.S. troops first entered Afghanistan with the aim of removing al Qaeda from its sanctuary there, 2,162 U.S. service personnel have given their lives in and around Afghanistan in support of U.S. military activities in that country.

    1,593 of those 2,162 U.S. casualties—or 73.7 percent—have occurred since Feb. 17, 2009, when Obama announced the first of his multiple increases in U.S. military personnel deployed to Afghanistan.

    74% of U.S. Afghan Casualties Came After Obama Ordered Troops Increased | CNS News
    Dont surges "work so good"? Now the Taliban is back and is gonna be in serious political business here pretty soon. All this worthless bloodshed for what? The unwinable "war on terror"?


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    Re: 74% of U.S. Afghan Casualties Came After Obama Ordered Troops Increased

    The OP is a despicable LIE - a lie started by Bush, bought by the media - and now just the lie always told.

    "Casualty" ALWAYS meant the combination of those killed and those wounded to the extent no longer combat capable. Given the massive numbers of American servicemembers being blown up, shot up - but lived (without arms, legs, face, functioning brain) - Bush and the military shifted to ONLY releasing the number of those "killed in action" as "casualties."

    Then, IF they could in any way declare it was not a 100% direct result of battle OR if they could get the servicemember out of the country - even if brain dead - before death - they would not count that servicemember as a casualty either.

    So, now, the BIG lie is having replaced "casuality" to only meaning those who die while still in Afghanistan - and looking for any way to not count any of those too (which all denies death benefits to their spouses and children) - erasing everyone else including all those servicemembers with massive, permanent injuries AS IF THEY NEVER EXISTED AND SUFFERED NOTHING.

    This massive organized lie REALLY pisses me off - and the kiss-ass media went right along with it. First, they would at least say "killed" to clarify. Now they don't even do that in converting "casuality" to mean killed - thus reducing the true "casualty count by 500% or more.

    Damn liars always in bed with the politicians and military for war now. It used to not be so. Look at any stats for wars prior to Iraq and Afghanistan for how "casualties" were reported by the media and government. Now it's all a HUGE LIE to deceive the real casualty counts.

    IN FACT, there have been over 15,000 American service member CASUALTIES in Afghanistan.

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    Re: 74% of U.S. Afghan Casualties Came After Obama Ordered Troops Increased

    Makes sense that if you ramp up the war and send more troops into harm's way, that more troops will die...idk what the amazing revelation is here.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: 74% of U.S. Afghan Casualties Came After Obama Ordered Troops Increased

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    (CNSNews.com) - Seventy-four percent of the U.S. military personnel who have given their lives serving in the Afghan War died after Feb. 17, 2009, when President Barack Obama announced his first increase in the number of U.S. troops deployed in Afghanistan, according to CNSNews.com’s database of U.S. casualties in the war.

    In the more than twelve years that have passed since U.S. troops first entered Afghanistan with the aim of removing al Qaeda from its sanctuary there, 2,162 U.S. service personnel have given their lives in and around Afghanistan in support of U.S. military activities in that country.

    1,593 of those 2,162 U.S. casualties—or 73.7 percent—have occurred since Feb. 17, 2009, when Obama announced the first of his multiple increases in U.S. military personnel deployed to Afghanistan.

    74% of U.S. Afghan Casualties Came After Obama Ordered Troops Increased | CNS News
    Who gives a ****. There should have been zero US deaths in Afghanistan.

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    Re: 74% of U.S. Afghan Casualties Came After Obama Ordered Troops Increased

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Dont surges "work so good"? Now the Taliban is back and is gonna be in serious political business here pretty soon. All this worthless bloodshed for what? The unwinable "war on terror"?
    It's not actually a "surge" if you're not allowed to fight.

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    Re: 74% of U.S. Afghan Casualties Came After Obama Ordered Troops Increased

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    It's not actually a "surge" if you're not allowed to fight.
    Troop surge and a massive offensive isnt "fighting"?


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    Re: 74% of U.S. Afghan Casualties Came After Obama Ordered Troops Increased

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Troop surge and a massive offensive isnt "fighting"?
    A "massive offensive" where we've been hamstrung at every turn by bitching about air strikes and civilian casualties and an un-cooperative Afghan government actively working against us?

    Nope. This "surge" was always a half-assed stop gap measure, and the administration was well aware of this fact. They never wanted it to succeed, so they turned it into a self-fulfilling prophecy.

    Most of those troops are doing little more than sitting around on various FOBs and waiting to get shot at.

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    Re: 74% of U.S. Afghan Casualties Came After Obama Ordered Troops Increased

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    A "massive offensive" where we've been hamstrung at every turn by bitching about air strikes and civilian casualties and an un-cooperative Afghan government actively working against us?
    When you airstrike a bunch of civilians its usually used as propaganda against you for recruits for the local "mujaheddin" to fight in that "holy war"....


    Nope. This "surge" was always a half-assed stop gap measure, and the administration was well aware of this fact. They never wanted it to succeed, so they turned it into a self-fulfilling prophecy.
    Yea.... But if they never wanted it to suceed why do it in the first place? Why increase drone strikes in the area? And why do a massive offensive? Doenst make much since at all...


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    Re: 74% of U.S. Afghan Casualties Came After Obama Ordered Troops Increased

    The surge wasn't large enough or long term enough to accomplish the objectives under consideration. McChrystal originally wanted 50,000-80,000 troops but knew this was a politically impossible figure to ask for, even his middle option of 40,000 wasn't palatable enough though he believed anything short of 40,000 was to bring the risk of failure to unacceptable levels.

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