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    Re: 74% of U.S. Afghan Casualties Came After Obama Ordered Troops Increased

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Then you choose Option A, as noted in red.
    Of course not. I didn't know that that was the first post of mine you ever read, I was standing next to the lone congresswoman that opposed the afghan war!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: 74% of U.S. Afghan Casualties Came After Obama Ordered Troops Increased

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Dont surges "work so good"? Now the Taliban is back and is gonna be in serious political business here pretty soon. All this worthless bloodshed for what? The unwinable "war on terror"?
    They work great, when the CIC isn't under-mining them for political reasons.
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    Re: 74% of U.S. Afghan Casualties Came After Obama Ordered Troops Increased

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Makes sense that if you ramp up the war and send more troops into harm's way, that more troops will die...idk what the amazing revelation is here.
    The Taliban has a finite amount of combat power; meaning that they can only inflict so many casualties. Just because more American troops were deployed to the battlefield, doesn't necessarily mean that there will be more casualties.

    There are many factors that involved and one of the factors are the ROE's that were implemented by the CIC. It's been known for some times that Obama's ROE have created an environment that produced more American casualties.

    “In Afghanistan, the [rules of engagement] that were put in place in 2009 and 2010 have created hesitation and confusion for our war fighters,” said Wayne Simmons, a retired U.S. intelligence officer who worked in NATO headquarters in Kabul as the rules took effect, first under Army Gen. Stanley M. McChrystal, then Army Gen. David H. Petraeus.

    “It is no accident nor a coincidence that from January 2009 to August of 2010, coinciding with the Obama/McChrystal radical change of the [rules of engagement], casualties more than doubled,” Mr. Simmons said. “The carnage will certainly continue as the already fragile and ineffective [rules] have been further weakened by the Obama administration as if they were playground rules.”

    Spike in battlefield deaths linked to restrictive rules of engagement - Washington Times

    In country, we have Escalation of Force Kits. These keep people away in a non-lethal manner. To do that, they used to contain "KEEP BACK" signs we'd put on our trucks during a convoy and the kits also had small flares we could fire. These things were taken away and instead we were told to drive with the same courtesy we would use if driving in the U.S.

    That means if cars get backed up behind us, we are to pull over and let them pass.

    This takes our buffer -- our zone of safety -- completely away. Because once we pull over, the cars get to pass right up against us and that opens the door for suicide bombers, suicide bombs, and gun fire.

    We allow people to get so close to our vehicles that we have no time to react should they try to do something.

    Soldiers: Obama's Rules Of Engagement Costing U.S. Lives in Afghanistan
    It's been attested to, by troops actually on the ground in AG, that the rules of engagement made things more dangerous for them.
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    Re: 74% of U.S. Afghan Casualties Came After Obama Ordered Troops Increased

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    The surge wasn't large enough or long term enough to accomplish the objectives under consideration. McChrystal originally wanted 50,000-80,000 troops but knew this was a politically impossible figure to ask for, even his middle option of 40,000 wasn't palatable enough though he believed anything short of 40,000 was to bring the risk of failure to unacceptable levels.
    That was Obama's intention. It's why he lowered the force level. He undermined the whole show.
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    Re: 74% of U.S. Afghan Casualties Came After Obama Ordered Troops Increased

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Taliban has a finite amount of combat power; meaning that they can only inflict so many casualties. Just because more American troops were deployed to the battlefield, doesn't necessarily mean that there will be more casualties.

    There are many factors that involved and one of the factors are the ROE's that were implemented by the CIC. It's been known for some times that Obama's ROE have created an environment that produced more American casualties.






    It's been attested to, by troops actually on the ground in AG, that the rules of engagement made things more dangerous for them.
    Do you know WHY the ROE's were changed?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: 74% of U.S. Afghan Casualties Came After Obama Ordered Troops Increased

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They work great, when the CIC isn't under-mining them for political reasons.
    The whole ****ing war on terror is a political war!! You still don't know that.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: 74% of U.S. Afghan Casualties Came After Obama Ordered Troops Increased

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That was Obama's intention. It's why he lowered the force level. He undermined the whole show.
    That what these US wars of aggression are to you is "shows". News pal, the War On Terror" is UNWINABLE!!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: 74% of U.S. Afghan Casualties Came After Obama Ordered Troops Increased

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Do you know WHY the ROE's were changed?
    The change was designed to give the enemy the upper hand, kill more Americans and allow Obama to declare defeat.
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    Re: 74% of U.S. Afghan Casualties Came After Obama Ordered Troops Increased

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That what these US wars of aggression are to you is "shows". News pal, the War On Terror" is UNWINABLE!!
    With a CIC, that has that same defeatest mentality, you're right.
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    Re: 74% of U.S. Afghan Casualties Came After Obama Ordered Troops Increased

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The change was designed to give the enemy the upper hand, kill more Americans and allow Obama to declare defeat.
    I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry. THAT is pathetic. Let me throw it back on ya apdst, hate America much?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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