1. Facts and the dictionary PROVE you wrong, want to see. Definition of FACT - "1.something known to be true: something that can be shown to be true" Definition of Bigot - "a person who strongly and
unfairly dislikes other people, ideas". The idea being "fairly" as the key to why you use it incorrectly. As I have explained previously to you, rationale, and fair depends on ones perspective and their interpretation of issues and events.
2. You have presented no facts that say the Governor of Utah is a bigot.
3. No it doesn't and I have shown you that the definition of what you think a bigot is, and what a bigot actually is, are not consistent with contemporary understanding.
4. Ah, but see now we're getting somewhere. You're still using bigotry in the wrong context. Not everyone that was against elevating the rights of minorities and or women were bigots. There were very good rational reasons at the time and these opinions were shared by a great many. You use equal rights as if there is some magical understanding that all people regardless of any circumstance are all necessarily equal. You're comparing the plight of homosexuals to that of race and gender, yet I find no common sense reason to do so. My assertion is that homosexuality is a choice per say, not always conscious and often unconscious, but still a choice in that we choose to put ourselves in positions where the causal nature (Still not yet understood) of homosexuality influences our normal heterosexual potential. Now you are free to disagree with that assertion, and I have no facts to back me up, but then again, neither do you. What you can present is a political effort to sway the light science communities to portray an alternative scenario in which homosexuality is not a mental state that can be prevented, but one of biology, and completely out of the control of the individual.
5. I don't deny anything. I've vested a great deal of time on the subject and have way more knowledge of it than you do, and that much is obvious. I am open minded on the subject, and have stated many times that if homosexuality were proven to be mostly or entirely biological, I would put on a gay pride shirt and march right along side them. I'm still waiting on that evidence.
6. I know that makes you feel better.
7. Weird? Hmm... But you imply in your arguments that equal rights is something that transcends all of man's whimsical nature, and that men who, by their whimsical nature deny equality, are they themselves bigots for doing so. So, by logical extension, if men decide what rights we have, then isn't it equally logical that men can also decide what rights we should not have? I guess my question to would be, whom do you define as "man"?
8. No, I chose that path of argument specifically to show you up. I know it was a little mean on my part, but I wanted to illustrate just how incoherent you are on the subject matter when applied to a more advanced level of understanding. Your arguments from what I've seen are superficial, and never really approach meaningful debate that include intangible factors and variables that promote honest discussion.
9. See #8? You originally claimed or implied that you had the facts, and the facts were that this judge had it right, and that the Governor of Utah was a bigot because he chose the side of the people who chose freely and without duress to choose to not sanction gay marriage in their state. Now, you're saying that any reference to the fundamental structure of our laws, the constitution is not applicable to any debate on that subject matter?
10. No, se that's where you wrong. The voice of the people does matter, and I argue that in matters where society can be impacted it is not only wise to seek the peoples opinion in a free society, but they have a duty and responsibility to offer it. You equating homosexual marriage to race and gender is a non sequitor, and you should know it by now.
11. I'm not running out of anything but patience.
12. Once again I've never claimed my opinion to be anything other than an opinion of my interpretation of issues and events.
13. No he's not, but SSM
might be an equal rights issue, and that's for society to eventually decide.
14. Here again with the facts thingy.
Tim-