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Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

Anagram said:
I don't think its right for a state to offer a contract legally and then renege on that later.
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Just like "if you like your healthcare plan, you can keep it".
 
Jerry said:
If my weapon permit is subject to state reciprocity, then so should any marriage certificate.
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Do you think democrats would change their mind if that came with it?
 
CanadaJohn said:
I'm guessing, but I'm willing to bet the vast majority of gay couples in Utah have been living together, basically as married couples, for long stretches, perhaps years. Getting a legitimization paper from the government isn't going to change that relationship nor will waiting a few months to get it accepted. They might miss out on some state and federal sponsored benefits, but nothing they haven't been living with up until now.
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As someone who opposes cohabitation regardless, this is not an argument which would make me sympathetic to the gay cause.
 
scatt said:
Do you think democrats would change their mind if that came with it?
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I think democrats would become strong anti-SSM if gun permits were tied to marriage permits via equal application of the Full Faith and Credit Clause.
 
Rocketman said:
(CNN) – Utah will not recognize the hundreds of same-sex marriages that were temporarily allowed by a federal judge's ruling but before the Supreme Court issued an injunction, the state announced Wednesday.

Officials say more than a thousand marriage licenses between gay and lesbian couples were issued in the 17 days between the initial ruling and the high court's Monday order blocking enforcement.

Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs
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legally the courts are in the right and utah in the wrong.the 14th amendment means equality under law,meaning so long as marriage is recognized by that state,all marriage must be legally protected unless valid reason is given(ie harm or something else that justifies excluding a group,a group cant be excluded simply because you dislike them)

i dont agree with the courts claiming marriage as a right,as it was never granted in the constitution nor was the courts ever given power to create rights,but in this case they are doing what is very well within their legally granted power,they have power under the constitution not over it,meaning they cant define amendments,nor altr the constitution,but they very well hold the power to uphold the constitution and decide whether a law is constitutional or not.


constitutionally speaking,banning gay marriage without ending all state recognized marriage would have only been constitutional prior to the 14th amendment,and being amendment not federal law,it is part of the constitution,and not challengeable by the states.
 
Rocketman said:
(CNN) – Utah will not recognize the hundreds of same-sex marriages that were temporarily allowed by a federal judge's ruling but before the Supreme Court issued an injunction, the state announced Wednesday.

Officials say more than a thousand marriage licenses between gay and lesbian couples were issued in the 17 days between the initial ruling and the high court's Monday order blocking enforcement.

Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs
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He simply doesnt get to make that call
if will be a court decision

he can choose to not recognize them while the stay is in place and if the ruling goes his way, which it wont but thats it

also for the record the marriages are 100% legal and intact and to all states that recognize equal rights for gays :shrug:

so all those couples are still 100% marriage no matter how much this bigot stomps his feet and holds his breath lol
 
AGENT J said:
He simply doesnt get to make that call
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But he does, and he did. Right now, after he decided to make that call, and it is being enforced.
 
AGENT J said:
He simply doesnt get to make that call
if will be a court decision

he can choose to not recognize them while the stay is in place and if the ruling goes his way, which it wont but thats it

also for the record the marriages are 100% legal and intact and to all states that recognize equal rights for gays :shrug:

so all those couples are still 100% marriage no matter how much this bigot stomps his feet and holds his breath lol
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or how much to stomp yours, I was counting on your whining, now there is just one more
 
scatt said:
But he does, and he did. Right now, after he decided to make that call, and it is being enforced.
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no he didnt actually, the SCOTUS and STAY did it, not him lol
and if the court rules otherwise his words and hurt feelings over gays having equal rights wont matter
 
Rocketman said:
or how much to stomp yours, I was counting on your whining, now there is just one more
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im not stomping my feet, im HAPPY lmao!!
im happy equal rights is winning and bigots and discrimination are losing
i actually hope the bigots keep pushing this and the actual case DECISION gets pushed to SCOTUS that would make me even happier

nice try but as usual your post fails and facts defeat it again
 
scatt said:
But he did, and it is being enforced, because he gets to make that call.
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nope because SCOTUS made the call
ignore this fact all you want it will never change lol :)
 
AGENT J said:
im not stomping my feet, im HAPPY lmao!!
im happy equal rights is winning and bigots and discrimination are losing
i actually hope the bigots keep pushing this and the actual case DECISION gets pushed to SCOTUS that would make me even happier

nice try but as usual your post fails and facts defeat it again
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scatt said:
The 10th (not SCOTUS) told him to enforce the prior laws?
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wrong again, no facts support that, NONE, ZERO, NOTTA ZILTCH LMAO

SCOTUS did it, take away SCOTUS ruling for a stay and marriage is recognized, plan and simply
like i said NOTHING will change this FACT

if you disagree provide ANY thing you have that FACTUALLY shows otherwise, any, id love to read it :)
 
Rocketman said:
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LMAO!!!!!!! :laughat:

thats what i thought you got nothing


let me know when you have any facts to support you, any

#EqualRightsIsWininng
 
AGENT J said:
LMAO!!!!!!! :laughat:

thats what i thought you got nothing, thats a nice picture of you crying over equal rights winning!

let me know when you have any facts to support you, any
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Rocketman said:
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weird, still no facts that support you, do you have any? any thing accurate, factual and on topic youd like to discuss that you can back up? anything?
 
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Rocketman said:
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so the answer is no, your post lost and got destroyed by facts so instead of staying on topic and even trying to support your failed proven factually wrong claims you just keep deflecting. Well let us know when you have any facts to support you and can back up your failed claims, id love to read it. Your post loses and gets destroyed again.
 
AGENT J said:
so the answer is no, your post lost and got destroyed by facts so instead of staying on topic and even trying to support your failed proven factually wrong claims you just keep deflecting. Well let us know when you have any facts to support you and can back up your failed claims, id love to read it. Your post loses and gets destroyed again.
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Post some more, I love owning you
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AGENT J said:
wrong again, no facts support that, NONE, ZERO, NOTTA ZILTCH LMAO

SCOTUS did it, take away SCOTUS ruling for a stay and marriage is recognized, plan and simply
like i said NOTHING will change this FACT

if you disagree provide ANY thing you have that FACTUALLY shows otherwise, any, id love to read it :)
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Not to worry. In the end, Utah fails on this.
 
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