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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    the facts are in the Op and your tantrum does not change it. NULLIFIED
    translation: you have ZERO facts to support you thanks, thats what i thought

    FACTS: the marriages issued are 100% intact and legal and all those people are still factually and legally married as far as the FED is concerned and any other state that recognizes equal rights, Facts defeat your post again. See California cases.
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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    A state can't be under duress. The state was offering marriages legally for three weeks. Whether they had choice in the matter or not, those contracts should remain valid in my opinion.
    Do you believe the State of Utah was offering these marriage licenses? I thought it was similar to California/San Francisco, where a Mayor granted licenses against State law and the referendum while the matter was still in the courts. I don't know how Utah is governed, but I believe local municipalities offer marriage licenses.
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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Again the ignorance of bigotry. There are dozens of legal reasons why living together and a recognized marriage are different. Please quit with this childish representation of the legalities and rights associated with marriage.
    Perhaps a course in reading comprehension should have been on your Christmas list. There's nothing bigoted about my comments. I simply stated the reality on the ground in Utah. You can keep your emotional attempts to paint me as a villian. Personally, I don't believe government should be in the marriage business, but as long as it is, I see no reason to restrict any adult from marrying another other adult(s) he or she chooses.
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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    As someone who opposes cohabitation regardless, this is not an argument which would make me sympathetic to the gay cause.
    It wasn't an argument for or against, simply a statement of the reality of the moment.
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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I tend to agree, however, the legality of the matter is still at issue.

    What's a few weeks/months in the big scheme of things anyway - if marriage is forever, waiting until the Supreme Court rules shouldn't be too onerous.
    Judging by the glacial pace of the prop H8 appeal, that could be *years* and some of these couples have in fact been waiting for decades. Funny how gays are out to destroy the family system and marriage yet over 1000 couples married in a few weeks even in a small red state.

    This charade is a disgrace. We're 10 years behind other countries, including canada, and the bigots out there are just desperately clinging to a status quo that will inevitably end.

    Utah seems hellbent on becoming loathed in the history books, like a certain state involved in Loving v virginia.

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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Judging by the glacial pace of the prop H8 appeal, that could be *years* and some of these couples have in fact been waiting for decades. Funny how gays are out to destroy the family system and marriage yet over 1000 couples married in a few weeks even in a small red state.

    This charade is a disgrace. We're 10 years behind other countries, including canada, and the bigots out there are just desperately clinging to a status quo that will inevitably end.

    Utah seems hellbent on becoming loathed in the history books, like a certain state involved in Loving v virginia.
    Why is it that many liberals need to throw around terms like "bigot" when a person, such as myself, comments on the appropriateness of just following the legal process to the end? Did you deduct from my "conservative" political lean that I must be against gay marriage? Did anything I posted here or on other gay marriage threads indicate that I was opposed to such unions? In fact, my position is that the governments should not be in the marriage business, but if they insist on being in the marriage business they should sanction any adult's choice of union with any other adult(s) they choose.

    So, you're entitled to your opinion, but some basis for it would be wise and helpful.
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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Why is it that many liberals need to throw around terms like "bigot" when a person, such as myself, comments on the appropriateness of just following the legal process to the end? Did you deduct from my "conservative" political lean that I must be against gay marriage? Did anything I posted here or on other gay marriage threads indicate that I was opposed to such unions? In fact, my position is that the governments should not be in the marriage business, but if they insist on being in the marriage business they should sanction any adult's choice of union with any other adult(s) they choose.

    So, you're entitled to your opinion, but some basis for it would be wise and helpful.
    no, i was referring to bigots in utah who are doing everything possible to **** on these couples

    please, i know plenty of conservatives even on this forum who support SSM
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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    no, i was referring to bigots in utah who are doing everything possible to **** on these couples

    please, i know plenty of conservatives even on this forum who support SSM
    That's fair - no harm done - however, you did link your comments to me by quoting my previous post. If it wasn't related to me, it should have noted so or not been part of a quote response, but all is good.
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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Do you believe the State of Utah was offering these marriage licenses? I thought it was similar to California/San Francisco, where a Mayor granted licenses against State law and the referendum while the matter was still in the courts. I don't know how Utah is governed, but I believe local municipalities offer marriage licenses.
    It wasn't against state law.
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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    legally the courts are in the right and utah in the wrong.the 14th amendment means equality under law,meaning so long as marriage is recognized by that state,all marriage must be legally protected unless valid reason is given(ie harm or something else that justifies excluding a group,a group cant be excluded simply because you dislike them)

    i dont agree with the courts claiming marriage as a right,as it was never granted in the constitution nor was the courts ever given power to create rights,but in this case they are doing what is very well within their legally granted power,they have power under the constitution not over it,meaning they cant define amendments,nor altr the constitution,but they very well hold the power to uphold the constitution and decide whether a law is constitutional or not.


    constitutionally speaking,banning gay marriage without ending all state recognized marriage would have only been constitutional prior to the 14th amendment,and being amendment not federal law,it is part of the constitution,and not challengeable by the states.


    Equality under the law... LOL, you're kidding right? How many laws in this nation have organizations been exempt from, heck entire states have been given exemption from national laws, the ACA is a prime example if you need a recent one.


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