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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I think it's precisely what a governor who actually represents the people of his state would do in this situation. Doesn't matter how he thinks the courts will rule after this, matters that he stuck up for the will of the people of his state - there's nothing "pointless" about that.
    I don't think its right for a state to offer a contract legally and then renege on that later. It's not a big deal, but I don't think its right.
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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    I don't think its right for a state to offer a contract legally and then renege on that later. It's not a big deal, but I don't think its right.
    Yeah, except in this case the state didn't, they were forced into it by a federal judge against the wishes of the state and it's people.

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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yeah, except in this case the state didn't, they were forced into it by a federal judge against the wishes of the state and it's people.
    They still offered them even if they were being forced to. From She'by's ruling until the Supreme Court stay the marriages were legal, and I don't think the state should retroactively eliminate them.
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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I think it's precisely what a governor who actually represents the people of his state would do in this situation. Doesn't matter how he thinks the courts will rule after this, matters that he stuck up for the will of the people of his state - there's nothing "pointless" about that.
    So as long as the majority want something it's ok right?

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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yeah, except in this case the state didn't, they were forced into it by a federal judge against the wishes of the state and it's people.
    They were forced into it by the United States Constitution.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    They still offered them even if they were being forced to. From She'by's ruling until the Supreme Court stay the marriages were legal, and I don't think the state should retroactively eliminate them.
    Depends upon the final court ruling. If Utah's original ban stands then yes they should. The folks who signed for the licenses knew the state's hands were being forced here and that the state was actively fighting the ruling. Sometimes the getting in through the loophole before it closes just doesn't work.

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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    They were forced into it by the United States Constitution.
    No, they weren't. That's not for a federal judge to decide, not part of their grant of power at all.

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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So as long as the majority want something it's ok right?
    Trying staying with the context of the post you're replying to. The people of that state constitutionally banned an activity, a federal judge stepped outside his power and nullified the state constitution, the governor of the state is defending the state constitution and doing precisely what he swore in his oath of office, unlike the federal judge.

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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Depends upon the final court ruling. If Utah's original ban stands then yes they should. The folks who signed for the licenses knew the state's hands were being forced here and that the state was actively fighting the ruling. Sometimes the getting in through the loophole before it closes just doesn't work.
    I can respect that, but I still disagree. I don't think states should be in the practice of reneging on contracts even in situations like this.
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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    I can respect that, but I still disagree. I don't think states should be in the practice of reneging on contracts even in situations like this.
    Contracts made under duress, it's a good thing when they are nullified.

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