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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Ooookay. Again, my argument has always been that if the state wins the case those licenses are void. Of course if the state loses the case the licenses will be upheld. Right this moment however those licenses are meaningless, have no force of law, are just worthless paper. Only a decision against the state will make them valid.
    IF. that is the issue. Currently they are not voided, they are put on hold pending the case finishing.
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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    100% wrong again as the article about the fed already proves, put please continue to ignore the facts.
    right now those marriages are 100% legal and recognized by the fed granting all LEGAL and LAWFUL federal rights to them
    so NO they sre factually NOT meaningless and YES they do have force of law behind them
    No they aren't. The fed does not license marriage they only have the power to recognise IN FORCE marriages. Those licenses are not currently in force and will not be unless Utah loses the appeal.

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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfsgirl View Post
    IF. that is the issue. Currently they are not voided, they are put on hold pending the case finishing.
    Indeed and on hold means they are not in force. The license cannot be exercised. Thus, as they sit now, worthless pieces of paper that cannot be honored.

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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    nothing you posted changes the fact its an equal rights issue, nothing
    YES please go further because that was freaking hilarious!!!

    thanks for further proving me right again
    Are you alright? Is there something wrong with you? You're posting like someone that appears to be drunk?

    You said the governor was a bigot, I showed you why with specificity you were wrong on that assertion. You then claimed that SSM is an equal rights issue, and I stated (in good faith) that it was an equal rights issue to some, a civil matter to some, and a social issue to some. The courts have many instances where they also share the same opinion depending on who you cherry pick, that it is a social issue, a civil matter, and or an equal rights matter. Dude, what else do you require for proof? So are you now saying that because of the few examples you posted which I just debunked with text that states it's an equal rights issue that is not also a civil issue, or social issue? You're not really saying that are you? Talk about rose colored glasses, and I suspect it is why people generally avoid your brand of debate. you're completely and entirely disingenuous at best, or an outright liar at worst.


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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfsgirl View Post
    Should have standing? Maybe. DO have standing? Nope.
    Btw, something I didn't know, both the Ninth and the California Supreme Court ruled that in this case the People DO have standing, the SCOTUS disagreed as part of their avoidance of the overall issue.

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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No they aren't. The fed does not license marriage they only have the power to recognise IN FORCE marriages. Those licenses are not currently in force and will not be unless Utah loses the appeal.
    as usual you are 100% wrong, do you ever not lie or do you ever post anythign accurate? please educate yourself to these topics.

    Feds recognize same-sex couples in Utah


    The Obama administration extended federal recognition to the marriages of more than 1,000 same-sex couples in Utah that took place before the Supreme Court put those unions in the state on hold.

    The action will enable the government to extend eligibility for federal benefits to these couples. That means gay and lesbian couples can file federal taxes jointly, get Social Security benefits for spouses and request legal immigration status for partners.

    Attorney General Eric Holder said the families should not be asked to endure uncertainty regarding their benefits while courts decide the issue of same-sex marriage in Utah.

    In a statement Friday afternoon, Herbert's office issued a statement that said Holder's announcement was unsurprising, but state officers should comply with federal law if they're providing federal services.
    like i said the FACT is

    right now those marriages are 100% legal and recognized by the fed granting all LEGAL and LAWFUL federal rights to them
    so NO they are factually NOT meaningless and YES they do have force of law behind them

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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Like I said, currently void.

    The state did not represent their population?
    The state DID defend the law, and failed. The state is not required to appeal the case.
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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    If I ran the government..... I would keep it simple.....

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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    I understand, but in this case you are the only interested party. In Prop 8 the State was not the only interested party.

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    Take that up with the supreme court THEY are the ones that said the other group didn't have standing.
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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Btw, something I didn't know, both the Ninth and the California Supreme Court ruled that in this case the People DO have standing, the SCOTUS disagreed as part of their avoidance of the overall issue.

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    That's what I said..

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