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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Wait and see.
    Calm down, J.

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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Because they are currently null and void, sure.
    Do you own a dictionary? look up the word VOID.

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Like I said, they had no standing to sue.
    In the ORIGINAL case the state did have standing. In the supreme court case the group that decided to appeal didn't. The state did not appeal to the supreme court, another group did. So, in the lower court case when the STATE (who HAS standing) lost. That is the ruling that is in effect now.
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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    That's incorrect, the state can step in and sue. In the Prop 8 case, where the state abrogated it's duty to defend the will of the people, the people should have the standing to step in.
    Should have standing? Maybe. DO have standing? Nope.
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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfsgirl View Post
    He did not VOID the marriages. He is not RECOGNIZING them until the case is finished. There is a difference. VOID means canceled. Waiting for the case to finish means on hold.
    Ooookay. Again, my argument has always been that if the state wins the case those licenses are void. Of course if the state loses the case the licenses will be upheld. Right this moment however those licenses are meaningless, have no force of law, are just worthless paper. Only a decision against the state will make them valid.

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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfsgirl View Post
    In the ORIGINAL case the state did have standing.
    Like I said, currently void.

    The state did not represent their population?

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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    accept we do have facts and you cant present any this is why the lies you post get destroyed by multiple posters with facts every time

    Court cases concerning SSM

    Goodridge v. Department of Public Health (Massachusetts)



    Hollingsworth v. Perry (Cali)



    Kerrigan v. Commissioner of Public Health (Conn)


    Varnum v. Brien (Iowa)



    New Mexico Supreme Court


    New Jersey Superior Court


    Hey this is fun I can do it too..

    Cal. Stats.2003, ch. 421, § 4 (codified
    at Cal. Fam.Code § 297.5(a)). It withheld only the
    official designation of marriage and thus the officially
    conferred and societally recognized status that accompanies
    that designation.
    Meanwhile, however, California had created the
    designation “domestic partnership” for “two adults
    who have chosen to share one another’s lives in an
    intimate and committed relationship of mutual caring.”
    Cal. Stats.1999, ch. 588, § 2 (codified at Cal. Fam.Code
    § 297(a)).

    California did so in 2000 by adopting Proposition 22,
    an initiative statute, which provided, “Only marriage
    between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in
    California.” Cal. Fam.Code § 308.5. The proposition
    ensured that same-sex marriages performed in any
    state that might permit such marriages in the future
    would not be recognized in California, and it guaranteed
    that any legislative repeal of the 1977 statute
    would not allow same-sex couples to marry within the
    State, because the Legislature may not amend or
    repeal an initiative statute enacted by the People. See
    Marriage Cases, 76 Cal.Rptr.3d 683, 183 P.3d at 409-
    10.
    Following the enactment of the Defense of Marriage
    Act of 1996, Pub.L. 104-199, 110 Stat. 2419
    (codified in relevant part at 1 U.S.C. § 7), which
    expressly limited the federal definition of marriage
    to relationships between one man and one woman,
    dozens of states enacted similar provisions into state
    law
    . See Andrew Koppelman, The Difference the Mini-
    DOMAs Make, 38 Loy. U. Chi. L.J. 265, 265-66 (2007).

    In 1977,
    that much was made explicit by the California Legislature,
    which amended the marriage statute to read,
    “Marriage is a personal relation arising out of a civil
    contract
    between a man and a woman, to which the
    consent of the parties capable of making that contract
    is necessary.” Cal. Stats.1977, ch. 339, § 1. The 1977
    provision remains codified in California statute. See
    Cal. Fam.Code § 300(a).

    I mean dude there are literally 100's of mention where the court realizes the SSM issue to be that of an equal rights issue, a civil matter, and a social issue. You have now been thoroughly debunked, need I go further?


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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Calm down, J.



    What do we need?

    Patience.

    When do we need it?

    NOW!

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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Hey this is fun I can do it too..














    I mean dude there are literally 100's of mention where the court realizes the SSM issue to be that of an equal rights issue, a civil matter, and a social issue. You have now been thoroughly debunked, need I go further?


    Tim-
    nothing you posted changes the fact its an equal rights issue, nothing
    YES please go further because that was freaking hilarious!!!

    thanks for further proving me right again
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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfsgirl View Post
    No one. If I file a wrongful death lawsuit and lose and decide not to appeal no one else has standing to file a wrongful death suit. The state is the only one that can defend its laws, they decided not to waste more money on appeals, so the case is over. Joe Blow can't just decide to file a case where he has no standing. Well he can, but it will be booted back to lower court decision just like the prop 8 case.
    I understand, but in this case you are the only interested party. In Prop 8 the State was not the only interested party.

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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Ooookay. Again, my argument has always been that if the state wins the case those licenses are void. Of course if the state loses the case the licenses will be upheld. Right this moment however those licenses are meaningless, have no force of law, are just worthless paper. Only a decision against the state will make them valid.
    100% wrong again as the article about the fed already proves, put please continue to ignore the facts.
    right now those marriages are 100% legal and recognized by the fed granting all LEGAL and LAWFUL federal rights to them
    so NO they sre factually NOT meaningless and YES they do have force of law behind them
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