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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    For what?



    You'll see 'for what' when the courts get finished with this mess.

    I predict that Utah will be mighty sorry that it ever passed a law banning gay marriage when the U.S. Supreme Court is finished with this case.

    Wait and see.




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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    SCOTUS did not rule the person had no standing to sue?
    In the ORIGINAL case which is the one that is still standing. If the USSC doesn't hear a case the lower court decision is still standing.
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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfsgirl View Post
    In the ORIGINAL case which is the one that is still standing.
    But the people who sued did not have standing to sue?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    You'll see for what when the courts get finished with this mess.
    So nothing?

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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    still nothign thats what I thought, let us know when you have any facts to support you we'd love to read them

    facts:
    SSM is an equal rights issue
    the marriages issued are 100% intact and legal and all those people are still factually and legally married as far as the FED is concerned and any other state that recognizes equal rights, Facts defeat your post again.

    is there one facts that proves otherwise that you can present? one?

    who wants to take bets the request is dodged again and more failed insults and meaningless opinions and deflections are posted instead of anything on topic, factual, accurate and civil?
    Again no facts, just your incorrect opinions. You still haven't learned that repitition of opinion does not equal fact.

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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    I love the fear that equal rights winning and defeating bigotry and or discrimination brings out in those that support it

    for all of those that support those things please push ALL these cases as far as you can, the soon the better and then equal rights will be national.

    I hope all these cases get pushed to SCOTUS, the CASES itself, i hope this next won in UTAH sides on equal rights against and its pushed again to make the actual case go to SCOTUS!!

    just a reminder of where we are at and ill remove UTAH if that little battle is lost in the war that is being won by equal rights:

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    18 States with Equal Rights


    Massachusetts - May 17, 2004
    Connecticut - November 12, 2008
    Iowa - April 27, 2009
    Vermont - September 1, 2009
    New Hampshire - January 1, 2010
    Washing D.C. - March 9, 2010
    FALL OF DADT Dec 18, 2010
    New York - July 24, 2011
    Washington - December 6, 2012
    Maine - December 29, 2012
    Maryland - January 1, 2013
    FALL OF DOMA - June 26, 2013
    California - June 28, 2013
    Delaware - July 1, 2013
    Rhode Island - August 1, 2013
    Minnesota - August 1, 2013
    New Jersey - October 21, 2013
    Hawaii - December 2, 2013
    New Mexico – December 19, 2013
    Utah – December 20. 2013 (appealing to supreme court! )
    Illinois - June 1, 2014 effective


    21 States Working Towards Equal Rights


    14 States with Pending Court Cases to Establish Equal Rights
    Alaska (Suit to be filed this month)
    Kentucky
    Idaho
    Louisiana
    Michigan (Feb 2014 Trial)
    Mississippi
    North Carolina
    Oklahoma
    Pennsylvania (June 14 Trial)
    South Carolina
    Tennessee (Direct US Constitution Challenge)
    Texas (Jan 2014 Trial, Direct US Constitution Challenge)
    Virginia (two different suits, one involves Prop8 lawyers)
    West Virginia


    4 States with Court Case(s) and Legislation to establish Equal Rights
    Arizona
    Arkansas (Decesion Pending and 2016 ballot)
    Nevada
    Ohio (December 2013 trial) Trial had narrow ruling that ohio will recognize OTHER state marriages but didn’t impact bans. New cases expected.


    3 States with Legislation to Establish Equal Rights
    Colorado
    Florida
    Oregon


    thats 39 states that could have equal rights by 2016 and some much sooner!
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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Yes and as I stated this brief shows why the court was wrong in doing so. The USSC was cowardly, and simply chose to reply on a technical standing provision that has many in legal circles scratching their heads over.


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    The original filers had standing at the state level. The lower court ruling still stands. The governor and state officials did have standing in the lower court cases, they lost and decided not to appeal. Then another group decided to appeal, but they have no standing to do so.

    So like I said. The lower court decision, which had proper standing, stands, and they found that the state constitutional amendment was unconstitutional based on the 14th amendment.
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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Nailed it AGAIN

    1.) Deflections wont help you they just further expose your failed post and entertain me
    2.) weird can you quote where i said thats why he is a bogot? BOOM! thats right i never did its another failed strawman by you lol

    so again your answer is no agent J i have no facts that support my failed and proven wrong claims, GOT IT!

    Let me know when you do

    FACTS:
    SSM is and equal rights issue

    I answered your claims several time(s) now directly. I rest..


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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    So the marriages are null and void currently?
    No. they are not being recognized by the state. When a marriage is voided, it is like it never happened. Voiding is basically canceling. The marriages are not canceled, just put on hold.
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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    Thank goodness your crystal ball kung fu is no good.

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    Re: Utah will not recognize same-sex marriages performed before high court stay

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    But the people who sued did not have standing to sue?
    The ORIGINAL case was defended by the STATE. When the state lost they decided not to appeal. The group that decided to appeal did not have standing.
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