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    This has no relevance to the debate.

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    Re: Gates - Obama Fed Propaganda

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    One of the most popular ways a president can get arms to someone covertly or even when congress has forbid it is have another country give them arms. For example if we wanted to arm A, we talk to B and get them to give A some of their weapons, then we give B so much military aid so they can buy newer and more arms from us replacing the ones they gave A.

    This little game has been going on for a long, long time. There are numerous other ways, but this one seems to get the most use. Was it used to arm the Syrian Rebels, I don’t know. Perhaps one of these days Wikileaks or Snowden may release something on it or not.
    Here's your smoking gun Pero!



    The cables, provided by the anti-secrecy Web site WikiLeaks, show that U.S. Embassy officials in Damascus became worried in 2009 when they learned that Syrian intelligence agents were raising questions about U.S. programs. Some embassy officials suggested that the State Department reconsider its involvement, arguing that it could put the Obama administration's rapprochement with Damascus at risk.

    Syrian authorities "would undoubtedly view any U.S. funds going to illegal political groups as tantamount to supporting regime change," read an April 2009 cable signed by the top-ranking U.S. diplomat in Damascus at the time. "A reassessment of current U.S.-sponsored programming that supports anti-[government] factions, both inside and outside Syria, may prove productive," the cable said.

    It is unclear whether the State Department is still funding Syrian opposition groups, but the cables indicate money was set aside at least through September 2010. While some of that money has also supported programs and dissidents inside Syria, The Washington Post is withholding certain names and program details at the request of the State Department, which said disclosure could endanger the recipients' personal safety.


    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/wikileak...ia-opposition/

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    Re: Gates - Obama Fed Propaganda

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Glad to see you finally concede that there was early assistance, even though it didn't meet with your criteria of meaningful.
    February 2013.

    Washington's last chance to help Syria - The Washington Post
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    Re: Gates - Obama Fed Propaganda

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I didn't see a date, but this shows the opposition asking for heavier arms, and? I thought you were trying to disprove that Washington was helping them from the beginning. Covert help was there since before the March 2011 uprising and has continued right on through to today, with congress authorising overt help last summer. Point being, Help has been there all along.
    You're simply refusing to understand. An AK-47 is no match for a tank, artillery and jet fighter aircraft. I personally have weapons of the caliber and nature of those we, or third parties supplied to the rebels. They are meaningless in the face of such fire power. Would you take on a tank with a 7.76 rifle? You could, and you would die. I don't think you understand the nature of the battlefield in Syria and what the rebels faced at the time you claim we were giving them meaningful aid. We gave them something to die with, and that doesn't constitute help. We might as well have been giving them sling shots.

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    Re: Gates - Obama Fed Propaganda

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Here's your smoking gun Pero!



    The cables, provided by the anti-secrecy Web site WikiLeaks, show that U.S. Embassy officials in Damascus became worried in 2009 when they learned that Syrian intelligence agents were raising questions about U.S. programs. Some embassy officials suggested that the State Department reconsider its involvement, arguing that it could put the Obama administration's rapprochement with Damascus at risk.

    Syrian authorities "would undoubtedly view any U.S. funds going to illegal political groups as tantamount to supporting regime change," read an April 2009 cable signed by the top-ranking U.S. diplomat in Damascus at the time. "A reassessment of current U.S.-sponsored programming that supports anti-[government] factions, both inside and outside Syria, may prove productive," the cable said.

    It is unclear whether the State Department is still funding Syrian opposition groups, but the cables indicate money was set aside at least through September 2010. While some of that money has also supported programs and dissidents inside Syria, The Washington Post is withholding certain names and program details at the request of the State Department, which said disclosure could endanger the recipients' personal safety.


    WikiLeaks: U.S. secretly backed Syria opposition - CBS News
    February 2012


    Elliott Abrams: U.S. should back Syrian opposition with money and arms - Think Tanked - The Washington Post
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    Re: Gates - Obama Fed Propaganda

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    You're simply refusing to understand. An AK-47 is no match for a tank, artillery and jet fighter aircraft. I personally have weapons of the caliber and nature of those we, or third parties supplied to the rebels. They are meaningless in the face of such fire power. Would you take on a tank with a 7.76 rifle? You could, and you would die. I don't think you understand the nature of the battlefield in Syria and what the rebels faced at the time you claim we were giving them meaningful aid. We gave them something to die with, and that doesn't constitute help. We might as well have been giving them sling shots.

    The statement was made that "modest help" at the beginning would have given the opposition what they needed. I proved that that modest help was there.

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    Re: Gates - Obama Fed Propaganda

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Here's your smoking gun Pero!



    The cables, provided by the anti-secrecy Web site WikiLeaks, show that U.S. Embassy officials in Damascus became worried in 2009 when they learned that Syrian intelligence agents were raising questions about U.S. programs. Some embassy officials suggested that the State Department reconsider its involvement, arguing that it could put the Obama administration's rapprochement with Damascus at risk.

    Syrian authorities "would undoubtedly view any U.S. funds going to illegal political groups as tantamount to supporting regime change," read an April 2009 cable signed by the top-ranking U.S. diplomat in Damascus at the time. "A reassessment of current U.S.-sponsored programming that supports anti-[government] factions, both inside and outside Syria, may prove productive," the cable said.

    It is unclear whether the State Department is still funding Syrian opposition groups, but the cables indicate money was set aside at least through September 2010. While some of that money has also supported programs and dissidents inside Syria, The Washington Post is withholding certain names and program details at the request of the State Department, which said disclosure could endanger the recipients' personal safety.


    WikiLeaks: U.S. secretly backed Syria opposition - CBS News
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    Re: Gates - Obama Fed Propaganda

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    It is interesting how the President's political enemies can so easily switch from saying the national news media is nothing more than the "propaganda arm" of the Administration and the Dems - never to be believed - but as soon as a story comes out that is the least bit negative about the President, they believe every word. And then the usual suspects amplify the noise with selective quotes and 'analysis'
    It's Robert Gates speaking not the media.

    And there have been more than a few on the DP saying the same thing that Gates has confirmed.

    Has Obama just once used the words of "winning" or "victory" when referring to Afghanistan ? NOT ###### ONCE !

    Obama's rules of engagement in Afghanistan only favored the enemy and has caused our troops to bleed and die.

    Dereliction of duty as CnC.

    52% of the voters put a community organizer in the white House and after four years of failure they decide to give the loser a second chance.

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    Re: Gates - Obama Fed Propaganda

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The statement was made that "modest help" at the beginning would have given the opposition what they needed. I proved that that modest help was there.
    No. You did not. Why? Because there was no such help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    It's Robert Gates speaking not the media.

    And there have been more than a few on the DP saying the same thing that Gates has confirmed.

    Has Obama just once used the words of "winning" or "victory" when referring to Afghanistan ? NOT ###### ONCE !

    Obama's rules of engagement in Afghanistan only favored the enemy and has caused our troops to bleed and die.

    Dereliction of duty as CnC.

    52% of the voters put a community organizer in the white House and after four years of failure they decide to give the loser a second chance.
    But Apache, everybody deserves a second chance!

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