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    Re: Gates - Obama Fed Propaganda

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    Hate to disappoint you, but the entirety of the military including the Secretary of Defense serves at the pleasure of the President.
    Exactly. Gates is a yes man.

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    Re: Gates - Obama Fed Propaganda

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Exactly. Gates is a yes man.
    That depends on what you consider to be a "yes" man. Gates and others like him pushed for a mission which had no chance of success because they didn't know how to run it. The worst you can say about Obama in this case is that he allowed himself to be persuaded to do something his gut told him was not a good idea by a man (Gates) and the rest of the military leadership which doesn't know how to wage a war.

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    Re: Gates - Obama Fed Propaganda

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    That depends on what you consider to be a "yes" man. Gates and others like him pushed for a mission which had no chance of success because they didn't know how to run it. The worst you can say about Obama in this case is that he allowed himself to be persuaded to do something his gut told him was not a good idea by a man (Gates) and the rest of the military leadership which doesn't know how to wage a war.
    About the fairest assessment I've seen yet. It would appear Gates has unwittingly implicated himself and the Pentagon. I'd like to see a pundit point that out on FOX And Friends.

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    Re: Gates - Obama Fed Propaganda

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Well why doesn't Obama just instruct the media to tell it his way? I mean, since they're just his propaganda arm and what not...
    They don't already? You must be a Fox watcher.
    It's nothing more than X's and O's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    LOL Gates is an idiot. Those aides were telling the truth! Who wants to volunteer to be the LAST American to be killed in that hole? Obama knows that all we need is drones to kill off the Taliban leaders.
    We will as dictated, signed and sealed by the pig Obama be there for at least 10 more years. TEN MORE years!!
    It's nothing more than X's and O's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhinefire View Post
    We will as dictated, signed and sealed by the pig Obama be there for at least 10 more years. TEN MORE years!!
    THAT, is not cool!

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    Re: Gates - Obama Fed Propaganda

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The statement was made that "modest help" at the beginning would have given the opposition what they needed. I proved that that modest help was there.
    Okay. I suppose a definition of modest would clear things up, but a modest effort to fly to the moon would not be satisfied with the supply of an airplane if the moon is the stated objective.

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    Re: Gates - Obama Fed Propaganda

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Okay. I suppose a definition of modest would clear things up, but a modest effort to fly to the moon would not be satisfied with the supply of an airplane if the moon is the stated objective.
    Well again, denied overt support as the US was, I suppose that help was as extensive as it could be covertly. But I didn't coin the phrase "modest help" and he who did, didn't define what it meant to him, initially. It should also be remembered that Russia was doing their fair share to counter any US efforts. And I should also point out that we are inviting a moderators warning for veering so far from topic. There is other threads that have discussed this in depth.
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    Re: Gates - Obama Fed Propaganda

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well again, denied overt support as the US was, I suppose that help was as extensive as it could be covertly. But I didn't coin the phrase "modest help" and he who did, didn't define what it meant to him, initially. It should also be remembered that Russia was doing their fair share to counter any US efforts.
    Sorry about coming to this late if someone already mentioned it, but how about if the same kind of active support was given to Syrian rebels that our President gave to Libyan & Egyptian rebels ... I'm not endorsing either one but it does make you wonder ...
    (a) why he didn't, and
    (b) if the nature of the results were anticipated and thus shaped his actions in all scenarios.

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    Re: Gates - Obama Fed Propaganda

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    Gates’ tell-all rattles White House, Congress – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

    There is an interesting quote from him in the middle of this.

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    According to the New York Times account, Gates writes, "[Obama] eventually lost faith in the troop increase he ordered in Afghanistan, his doubts fed by top White House civilian advisers opposed to the strategy, who continually brought him negative news reports suggesting it was failing."


    So it looks like bias in the media doesn't just come to us but goes to the loser in charge too.
    On this, I can't blame the President. I expected that there would be limits on what the surge could accomplish so long as the U.S. maintained a Karzai-centric strategy. Unfortuntely, it did. IMO, the muddled outcome to date is not surprising. Mr. Karzai has been and remains a big part of the problem with his corruption, cronyism, and provincialism.

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