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    Re: ĎAnonymousí hackers deface Mississippi-based white pride website with anti-fascis

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Hey man.

    First of all south Africa isn't communist, you repeating that lie changes nothing.

    Second of all I wasn't condoning the actions of the Hackers, to a certain extent it's a bit cowardly "ha ha I ****ed up your website na na na na na".

    But what they did doesn't amount to suppression of free speech.

    It amounts to Vandalism.

    suppression of free speech is what would happen if the government went in and shut it down completely and forever.

    You could have said something like

    "Those guys are assholes, but their website shouldn't be vandalized cause they're entitled to their speech".

    But you don't seem to have a problem with them at all... considering you use white supremacists for information regarding slavery this is hardly surprising.
    And I wasn't fefending white supremacists!!!...man!!!

    AND, I don't have to qualify a damn thing to you, or anybody else!!! I don't have to explain myself to you!!! Who in the hell do you think you are?!?

    I also used information from a black history professor at Harvard, but of course you missed that!!!
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    Re: ĎAnonymousí hackers deface Mississippi-based white pride website with anti-fascis

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Hey man.

    First of all south Africa isn't communist, you repeating that lie changes nothing.

    Second of all I wasn't condoning the actions of the Hackers, to a certain extent it's a bit cowardly "ha ha I ****ed up your website na na na na na".

    But what they did doesn't amount to suppression of free speech.

    It amounts to Vandalism.

    suppression of free speech is what would happen if the government went in and shut it down completely and forever.

    You could have said something like

    "Those guys are assholes, but their website shouldn't be vandalized cause they're entitled to their speech".

    But you don't seem to have a problem with them at all... considering you use white supremacists for information regarding slavery this is hardly surprising.
    You're not condoning the hacking and I believe that but maybe apdst also isn't condoning the message of the hacked by condemning the hacking itself. I don't support the hacking either.
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    Re: ĎAnonymousí hackers deface Mississippi-based white pride website with anti-fascis

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    All I heard was "thoughtcrime" - an incredibly fascist construct.
    Attacking someone as a part of a hate organization (hate crime) is not a thought. Making very real threats against someone (hate speech) is not a thought. Thoughts have nothing to do with hate crime and hate speech in the US - only actions - for which one should be held accountable. Perhaps you should learn something about the laws instead of substituting childish 1984 fantasies.

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    Re: ĎAnonymousí hackers deface Mississippi-based white pride website with anti-fascis

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Attacking someone as a part of a hate organization (hate crime) is not a thought. Making very real threats against someone (hate speech) is not a thought. Thoughts have nothing to do with hate crime and hate speech in the US - only actions - for which one should be held accountable. Perhaps you should learn something about the laws instead of substituting childish 1984 fantasies.
    When you can take two identical crimes and try them differently, thoughtcrime is on trial. A white man beating a white man is the same assault as a white man beating a black man. The only difference is an intangible. That's thoughtcrime.

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    Re: ĎAnonymousí hackers deface Mississippi-based white pride website with anti-fascis

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    When you can take two identical crimes and try them differently, thoughtcrime is on trial. A white man beating a white man is the same assault as a white man beating a black man. The only difference is an intangible. That's thoughtcrime.
    correct and neither of the two crimes you described would be a hate crime hence theres no thought crime.
    "identical" crimes arent being tried differently

    white man beating a white man
    white man beating a black man
    black man beating a white man

    as "described" these are all "identical" crimes and none of them are hate crimes or thought crimes
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    Re: ĎAnonymousí hackers deface Mississippi-based white pride website with anti-fascis

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    When you can take two identical crimes and try them differently, thoughtcrime is on trial. A white man beating a white man is the same assault as a white man beating a black man. The only difference is an intangible. That's thoughtcrime.
    You don't understand the law. What matters is that the crime, the ACTION (who gives a **** about thought) is greater than a normal robbery or attack. The ACT is perpetrated for the express and exclusive purpose of striking terror into a gender/race. The ACT is accompanied by no motive other than to cause terror. The ACT is linked to a larger organization, through membership or other direct involvement. The ACT is much more than common crap, it's terrorism. That's why it's called hate crime.

    Taking a 3 year old's understanding of the law "well, it's a white and a black!" is stupid, pathetic even. Learn the law, enough idiocy.
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    Re: ĎAnonymousí hackers deface Mississippi-based white pride website with anti-fascis

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You don't understand the law. What matters is that the crime, the ACTION (who gives a **** about thought) is greater than a normal robbery or attack. The ACT is perpetrated for the express and exclusive purpose of striking terror into a gender/race. The ACT is accompanied by no motive other than to cause terror. The ACT is linked to a larger organization, through membership or other direct involvement. The ACT is much more than common crap, it's terrorism. That's why it's called hate crime.

    Taking a 5 year old's understanding of the law "well, it's a white and a black!" is stupid, pathetic even. Learn the law and stop spewing idiocy.
    I hate whites so I will attack them. If this is done by a white person there is no terror? Of course not, stop pretending otherwise.

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    Re: ĎAnonymousí hackers deface Mississippi-based white pride website with anti-fascis

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    I hate whites so I will attack them. If this is done by a white person there is no terror? Of course not, stop pretending otherwise.
    A white person who hates white people. Really. You're going to use the .00001% nutbag in some ignorant attempt to tear down just laws against gender and race based terrorism? Lovely.

    Fact: a white straight male CAN be convicted of hate crime against a white straight male (same age, even).
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    Re: ĎAnonymousí hackers deface Mississippi-based white pride website with anti-fascis

    I can only see one group rationally worried about hate crime prosecution injustice - members of hate groups. Merely being in such an organization satisfies one of the 2 major requirements for prosecution. For them, an otherwise normal crime/incident could be construed as a hate crime.

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    Re: ĎAnonymousí hackers deface Mississippi-based white pride website with anti-fascis

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    A white person who hates white people. Really. You're going to use the .00001% nutbag in some ignorant attempt to tear down just laws against gender and race based terrorism? Lovely.

    Fact: a white straight male CAN be convicted of hate crime against a white straight male.
    Gender and race terrorism isn't more than the non-thought crimes that are committed. Beating someone up is better to you than beating them up because you think a non-state approved way. That is silly and childish.

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