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Rand Paul is filing a class action lawsuit against the NSA

CanadaJohn said:
I like teasing you. So enlighten us, what positive reason could one have chosen to reelect Obama given all the evidence to the contrary?
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1. I didn't vote for Obama the second time, not that it's any of your business.
2. Because he was a better candidate than Romney. A good many simply aren't ready or willing to hand the keys back to the GOP.
 
Better than Romney? You do know that there are more than two political parties in the United States.

Kobie said:
1. I didn't vote for Obama the second time, not that it's any of your business.
2. Because he was a better candidate than Romney. A good many simply aren't ready or willing to hand the keys back to the GOP.
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Beshear is 50-29 favorable with 16 neutral and 5 never heard of--that last number bothers me.
33-35-41 for Obama-McConnell-Paul--favorable in KY.:lamo:lamo
37-16 for direction of KY over the USA as for positive.
Rocketman said:
woo hoo 50%, you have such high standards:lamo
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Lots of good and scary stats for you GOP folks .
 
Kobie said:
1. I didn't vote for Obama the second time, not that it's any of your business.
2. Because he was a better candidate than Romney. A good many simply aren't ready or willing to hand the keys back to the GOP.
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You're right, it's not my business, any more than it was your business questioning the voting of those in Rocketman's state. But this is a debate site, so questions get asked - some get answered, some don't.

I agree, Obama was a better "candidate" - he's certainly not a better President - I refuse to believe a competent man like Romney could ever be anywhere near the disaster Obama is as President.
 
Lukas105 said:
Better than Romney? You do know that there are more than two political parties in the United States.
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No ****, sherlock. I voted third party in 2012. However, there are only two parties that have any realistic chance of winning. Third-party candidates carried less than 2% of the vote.
 
Which has been into the ground the last 3 years since the TEAs came to town .
Bob Blaylock said:
Fortunately, as a foreigner, you have no say as to how we run our country.
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CanadaJohn said:
You're right, it's not my business, any more than it was your business questioning the voting of those in Rocketman's state. But this is a debate site, so questions get asked - some get answered, some don't.
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My "questioning the voting of those in Rocketman's state" was to point out that Rocketman doesn't know what he's talking about.

CanadaJohn said:
I agree, Obama was a better "candidate" - he's certainly not a better President - I refuse to believe a competent man like Romney could ever be anywhere near the disaster Obama is as President.
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1. I don't think Obama's that good. I also don't think he's a disaster.
2. I think Obama is a better president than Romney would have been.
 
We weren't losing 740,000 jobs a month.We were gaining for over 30 straight.
CanadaJohn said:
I like teasing you.
So enlighten us, what positive reason could one have chosen to reelect Obama given all the evidence to the contrary?
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We didn't have a disastrous negative GDP as the GOP did in 2008.
Obama hasn't started any more stupid, costly wars .
 
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Kobie said:
I think Obama is a better president than Romney would have been.
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We all have our opinions - I can't think of a single politician who's run for the nomination or the office of President who could possibly have been worse than Obama.
 
CanadaJohn said:
You're right, it's not my business, any more than it was your business questioning the voting of those in Rocketman's state. But this is a debate site, so questions get asked - some get answered, some don't.
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We are a "UNITED" States of America thank you very much.
Though I would love to see Obama debate the "impeachers" like I$$A and Can'tor as you Canadian bros do.
Can'tor has only scheduled 112 days to work.
Maybe he and Obama could "debate" in the House .

I agree, Obama was a better "candidate" - he's certainly not a better President - I refuse to believe a competent man like Romney could ever be anywhere near the disaster Obama is as President.
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Too bad Romney walked away from his positions.
The TEAs stayed home.
Romney could not have worked with a do-less-than-nothing-House .
 
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Bob Blaylock said:
Fortunately, as a foreigner, you have no say as to how we run our country.
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You would be absolutely right if I were trying to say or tell you how to run your country, which I was not. All I was doing was voicing my opinion that politicians on the national level should first and foremost battle out the differences with the ruling party by political means and not by lawsuits.

I would be voicing that same opinion if a democrat would have wanted to file a lawsuit against a republican president. If you cannot win your argument on political reasoning you should work and find more support for your points of view.

The lawsuit makes much more sense if it comes from a citizen who does not like to be spied upon rather than a politician who is member of the party that helped create the monster that the NSA has become (or might even be primarily responsible for it).

1. the man presiding over the FISC court was appointed by Bush
2. the whole wiretapping etc. started with the decisions made by the Bush presidency with the aid of the patriot act (also under Bush)
3. the FISC court was created in 1978 but all subsequent laws regarding it have been created during the Bush presidency (USA patriot act, Protect American Act 2007 and the FISA amendement act of 2008). The Protect America Act was carried through mostly by republicans. And the current house and senate both voted to extend these laws until 2017

Paul might not like it but he has to look to his fellow republicans who have voted to keep this program active.
 
NIMBY said:
We weren't losing 740,000 jobs a month.We were gaining for over 30 straight.

We didn't have a disastrous negative GDP as in 2008.
Obama hasn't started any more stupid, costly wars .
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Obama's reelection was in 2012 - try to keep up.

I'll grant you that many could have made the mistake of thinking Obama might have something to offer in 2008 - but in 2012, you'd have to be brain dead to give that fool four more years.
 
Did you miss the last decade?
CanadaJohn said:
We all have our opinions - I can't think of a single politician who's run for the nomination or the office of President who could possibly have been worse than Obama.
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And it was 2012 I was talking about.
CanadaJohn said:
Obama's reelection was in 2012 - try to keep up.
I'll grant you that many could have made the mistake of thinking Obama might have something to offer in 2008 - but in 2012, you'd have to be brain dead to give that fool four more years.
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And me and the rest of Obama's supporters are not brain-dead.
This coming from the guy who helped elect Mayor Ford .
 
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NIMBY said:
And it was 2012 I was talkingt about.


And me and the rest of Obama's supporters are not brain-dead.
This coming from the guy who helped elect Mayor Ford .
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Mayor Ford has personal issues, somewhat like your former President Clinton, but has been terrific as a Mayor, such as Clinton as President.

President Obama is a damn fool, period.
 
CanadaJohn said:
We all have our opinions - I can't think of a single politician who's run for the nomination or the office of President who could possibly have been worse than Obama.
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I sure can.
 
Kobie said:
It's the highest approval rating of any political figure named in the survey. Keep digging.
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meh, most intelligent people know these ratings and polls are manipulated but the people performing them
 
NIMBY said:
Beshear is 50-29 favorable with 16 neutral and 5 never heard of--that last number bothers me.
33-35-41 for Obama-McConnell-Paul--favorable in KY.:lamo:lamo
37-16 for direction of KY over the USA as for positive.

Lots of good and scary stats for you GOP folks .
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bought and paid for by the liberal nutjobs for the liberal sheep that believe them
 
MichaelJR said:
It's true. A fair amount of Obama voters are VERY low information, poorly educated on U.S. gov.
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George Will - What political ignorance delivers - Crescent-News | Defiance, OH | Crescent-News.com

Politicians have understood about low information (ignorant) voters for quite a while. The article above addresses the size of government equating to the rise in ignorance since there is simply so much more government programs and involvement to miss. Smart propagandists today know they need a bumper sticker sized message to reach these people normally. 2014 mid-terms may be an exception since there have been so many mistakes by the current administration, the bad news has trickled down and affected millions more directly - more than a normal mid-term.
 
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