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    Re: Worldwide Poll: US Is Biggest Threat to Peace Read Latest Breaking News from New

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    That would give the terrorists half the power?
    I think even if we ended this silly "war on terror" that the terrorists still wont have anywhere close to half the power. Hell they would probably loose power.


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    Re: Worldwide Poll: US Is Biggest Threat to Peace Read Latest Breaking News from New

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Why are those 'innocent' civilians getting 'droned'?

    Because they are hanging out with and supporting terrorists.

    When you hang out with bad people don't be surprised if bad things happen to you.
    Im sure this recent wedding party was packed with terrorists: U.S. drone faulted for killing 14
    But hey here are some more innocent civilians: Predator Drone Strikes: 50 Civilians Are Killed For Every 1 Terrorist, and the CIA Only Wants to Up Drone Warfare - PolicyMic
    Real "effective" way of warfare. Probably spitting out more terrorists than we kill with these things.


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    Re: Worldwide Poll: US Is Biggest Threat to Peace Read Latest Breaking News from New

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I think even if we ended this silly "war on terror" that the terrorists still wont have anywhere close to half the power. Hell they would probably loose power.
    Well then you're not working with the claim I quoted.

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    Re: Worldwide Poll: US Is Biggest Threat to Peace Read Latest Breaking News from New

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Read more @: [/FONT][/COLOR]Worldwide Poll: US Is Biggest Threat to Peace

    The US seen as the greatest threat to peace... Hmmm.. I can understand why. But also people mostly want to live here the most. I can also understand that as well. One thing we can get from this poll is that the US foreign policy really isnt winning the hearts and minds of the people from around the world.
    It will once we've killed all the people with negative opinions of us. Huzzah forever war!
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    Re: Worldwide Poll: US Is Biggest Threat to Peace Read Latest Breaking News from New

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Ha, someone thinks if we stopped drone attacks there wouldn't be more terrorists!



    They've hated us and sought to harm us for a long time... when 9/11 happened, we were not active militarily in the M.E. at all, were we...
    I know you were joking but I'll humour you anyway. We've been active in the ME for a century. Propping up dictators when they "behaved" and attacking them when they didn't. Pitting and arming one ME country against another in one decade and reversing that support in the next, arming the Taliban to fight the Russians in one decade only to have to come back and fight them in another. Fighting with al Qaida here and using them to topple a dictator there. Pissing off countries by abusing UN resolutions to topple governments. Carving up oil fields and taking lands away from one group of people and giving it to another. There's no shortage of reasons why "they" hate us, your right about that.

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    Re: Worldwide Poll: US Is Biggest Threat to Peace Read Latest Breaking News from New

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Im sure this recent wedding party was packed with terrorists: U.S. drone faulted for killing 14
    But hey here are some more innocent civilians: Predator Drone Strikes: 50 Civilians Are Killed For Every 1 Terrorist, and the CIA Only Wants to Up Drone Warfare - PolicyMic
    Real "effective" way of warfare. Probably spitting out more terrorists than we kill with these things.
    Watch, this will be completely ignored. If that doesn't work they will say that those people shouldn't have been in proximity to a terrorist. Never mind that terrorists shoot our soldiers at point blank at times because you can't tell who is one. The whole war on terror as you said is a farce, a farce that has cost thousands of US lives and trillions of dollars have been spent on.
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    Re: Worldwide Poll: US Is Biggest Threat to Peace Read Latest Breaking News from New

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Well then you're not working with the claim I quoted.
    Fair enough.


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    Re: Worldwide Poll: US Is Biggest Threat to Peace Read Latest Breaking News from New

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Maybe not, but they are interested in seeing their own best interests put forward. In many cases, those interests run counter to our own.

    Pakistan, for instance, would love to run rough-shod over the current Afghan government and pick another fight with India. Israel, meanwhile, would love to finish the job of conquering the Palestinians, while many of their Arab neighbors would leap at the opportunity to wipe the Israelis themselves off the map. Russia would really enjoy the chance to reclaim it's former sphere of influence in Eastern Europe and Central Asia. The Iranians want to be the regional hegemon of the middle East. The Europeans rather clearly resent our economic, political, and cultural dominance, while the Chinese covet our dominance of the Pacific and global military hegemony. Etca, etca...

    The major thing stopping all of these nations from achieving their visions, in the majority of cases, is the United States' influence.

    They liked us just fine when we were the only nation powerful enough to keep the big bad Soviet Union at bay (or, alternately, sided with the Soviets against us). Now that the old Cold War dynamic has been removed, however; we are little more than an obstacle standing in the way of their own advancement.

    Even if the populace of many nations is not aware of this, the persons responsible for shaping the "political dialogues" which are largely responsible for the anti-American sentiment seen in most of the world today most certainly are. The nature of their self-interested agendas should be obvious.
    I understand what you're saying and I don't disagree, but many of these issues existed during the Cold War. And that national self interest has existed before and during the Cold War as well. A nation wanting to achieve its own goals is nothing new but, at least where our allies are concerned, that doesn't exactly mean that they also feel the need to get the US out of their way or to see it humbled at all.

    So while France and Germany didn't follow us into Iraq in 2003 because it wasn't in their national interest, it doesn't mean that they view the United States as "little more" than an obstacle to what they want. Disagreements aside we are still allies and they still have much more to gain from a powerful United States than a weak one. For example France is able to deploy and operate its Army in West Africa thanks in no small part to the US providing logistics especially in the form of heavy transport aircraft, something it would not have if it wanted to humble the US out of world power status.

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    Re: Worldwide Poll: US Is Biggest Threat to Peace Read Latest Breaking News from New

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I understand what you're saying and I don't disagree, but many of these issues existed during the Cold War. And that national self interest has existed before and during the Cold War as well. A nation wanting to achieve its own goals is nothing new but, at least where our allies are concerned, that doesn't exactly mean that they also feel the need to get the US out of their way or to see it humbled at all.

    So while France and Germany didn't follow us into Iraq in 2003 because it wasn't in their national interest, it doesn't mean that they view the United States as "little more" than an obstacle to what they want. Disagreements aside we are still allies and they still have much more to gain from a powerful United States than a weak one. For example France is able to deploy and operate its Army in West Africa thanks in no small part to the US providing logistics especially in the form of heavy transport aircraft, something it would not have if it wanted to humble the US out of world power status.
    True. I don't deny that there are still reasons to cooperate, and benefits to remaining allied. The United States is still a largely stabilizing influence on the world regardless of whether many people like that fact, or are willing to openly admit to it, or not.

    I was simply pointing out that, on an objective basis, there is a lot less compelling reason for many nations to accept the United States as the "sole superpower" in a post Cold War world. This does tend to result in a certain amount of resentment and rivalry being inevitably directed towards us on the international scene.

    How on Earth couldn't it? Historically speaking, no one tends to particularly care for the guy "on top," regardless of whatever other benefits association with them might happen to bring.

    It's human nature.
    Last edited by Gathomas88; 01-04-14 at 01:38 AM.

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    Re: Worldwide Poll: US Is Biggest Threat to Peace Read Latest Breaking News from New

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Funerals, wedding parties and bazaars
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    As I'm sure that you know, terrorists and their friends and neighbors have and visit funerals, wedding parties and bazaars which leads to more funerals.

    When they stop trying to kill us we might be able to think about leaving them alone.

    Until that happens the drone attacks will likely continue.

    Hopefully this kerfuffle will end before we have to 'kill 'em all and let God and/or Allah sort 'em out'.
    Last edited by shrubnose; 01-04-14 at 01:47 AM.

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