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Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164, 712]

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He should, however, be calling Ham the idiot that he is. That's just a fact.

I'd have spit on him by now, but then I'm no Bill Nye.
 
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Ham should be in politics. He absolutely can't answer a question directly.
 
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I'd have spit on him by now, but then I'm no Bill Nye.

Your no Bill Nye for sure, hell spitting on people would put you squarely in the chimp iq range.
 
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Good points. I'm glad, at least, that he isn't completely polarizing science and religion: I think that is often a hurdle for science when disputing creationism.

And I'm constantly frustrated by Bill's assertion that science can prove something (e.g. the age of the earth). While it's clear that he doesn't really believe in full proof, with the audience he's trying to reach he needs to be much clearer about what science can and can't do.

True enough, I think he should have set the same standards that Ken Ham did. Science works this way and this is what we can currently prove and can't disprove. Also, I'm kind of doubting the questions being thrown out there. A lot of them have absolutely nothing to do with the discussion.
 
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Did Hamm just say that we're all Creationists?
 
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Oh god. That joke.
 
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Most awkward one liner ever.
 
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I feel like Bill Nye is trying to both debate creationism while also being charismatic, making memorable one-liners, and exciting people about science in general. As a consequence, he seems to be struggling on all fronts.

Add a simplistic explanation of 'survival of the fittest' to the list of poorly used and explained scientific theories by Bill.

I feel like a good question for Ham would be how he can promote creationism being taught in the classroom when it is unabashedly Christian-based? Ultimately, the creationist 'critical thinking' is dependent upon the truth of the Bible. Thus, why not consider creationism as described by other scriptures? The creationist perspective reduces 'science' (as defined by Ham - he defined several terms to his preference) to fitting into a pre-accepted truth. How can that thinking not be biased?
 
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Yeah, that hurt. One of the things I learned a long time ago while teaching is, "know if you're funny, and if you're not, stop telling jokes."
 
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I completely disagree with those who think Nye should have been more "aggressive." I think he was as organized as he needed to be, and if I wanted to watch two people shout over each other and call each other idiots I'd watch Fox News.
 
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I feel like Bill Nye is trying to both debate creationism while also being charismatic, making memorable one-liners, and exciting people about science in general. As a consequence, he seems to be struggling on all fronts.

Add a simplistic explanation of 'survival of the fittest' to the list of poorly used and explained scientific theories by Bill.

I feel like a good question for Ham would be how he can promote creationism being taught in the classroom when it is unabashedly Christian-based? Ultimately, the creationist 'critical thinking' is dependent upon the truth of the Bible. Thus, why not consider creationism as described by other scriptures? The creationist perspective reduces 'science' (as defined by Ham - he defined several terms to his preference) to fitting into a pre-accepted truth. How can that thinking not be biased?


I think Bill Nye is trying to communicate information in a manner that leaves questions open
 
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I think Bill Nye should have spent more effort explaining process. Creationists already "know" the answer, "creation science" is a search for evidence that supports a conclusion which they've already decided is the absolute truth. Real scientists start by gathering evidence, finding the best possible explanation, then looking to see if future evidence supports their previous conclusions. If something contradicts they're findings, they change their beliefs.

And that is what's fundamentally dangerous about creationism. It's a complete abandonment of critical thinking.
 
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That was a phenomenally well presented argument by Nye.

Watching where I left off. Had to go play pub trivia (which we won...of course).

Ham has nothing but a static, 2000 year old book of fables written for ignorant nomads.
 
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Watching where I left off. Had to go play pub trivia (which we won...of course).

Ham has nothing but a static, 2000 year old book of fables written for ignorant nomads.

I am quite the bar trivia enthusiast myself. And yes, we win a lot.
 
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I am quite the bar trivia enthusiast myself. And yes, we win a lot.

We always win, I know science, geography and literature, we have a sports buff and someone for pop references. Bad part is that the person doing the questions is frequently wrong...sigh
 
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I am quite the bar trivia enthusiast myself. And yes, we win a lot.

What about bar jokes? Why did the pervert cross the road?
 
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We always win, I know science, geography and literature, we have a sports buff and someone for pop references. Bad part is that the person doing the questions is frequently wrong...sigh

I'm the sports, history and pop culture guy, and I have enough lit, geography and science to get by. I'm basically the team know-it-all. I have friends on my team who can fill in the gaps regarding more esoteric lit references, military stuff, etc.
 
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What about bar jokes? Why did the pervert cross the road?

Because his weenie was stuck in the chicken
 
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Because his weenie was stuck in the chicken


We need to hang out sometime
 
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Ham actually believes in an ark.

He actually thinks that because we weren't there, we can't extrapolate what happened from the past based on actual data.

This guy is freaking nuts, how did the sloth somehow swim to the ark? How did all the carnivores suddenly become vegetarians.

It all comes down to "well, a miracle happened", no....it didn't.

Prove it you religious ignorant zealot dumbass.
 
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Did anyone see the numbers watching the stream? The highest I remember seeing was ~ 483 000.
 
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I completely disagree with those who think Nye should have been more "aggressive." I think he was as organized as he needed to be, and if I wanted to watch two people shout over each other and call each other idiots I'd watch Fox News.

I should have clarified what I meant by aggressive, I wasn't talking in a Bill O rielly sense aggressive but I think Bill should have been more wiling to say things like

"what you're saying is patently false"

Instead of

"that's an extraordinary claim"

Which he repeatedly did throughout the debate.

A global flood and the idea the world is 6000 years old is in every single way imaginable absolutely false and he should have been more assertive of that fact.
 
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Ham actually believes in an ark........Prove it you religious ignorant zealot dumbass.
Believe doesn't require proof, so don't ask for it.
 
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Believe doesn't require proof, so don't ask for it.

I think it's worth asking for when he advocates kids should be taught it in school as scientific fact... Something he brought up more than once during the debate.
 
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