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Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164, 712]

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Why is it that the anti-intellectuals and really uneducated people on here are always "Conservative" or "Very Conservative"?

This uneducated anti-intellectual holds a degree in an engineering-related field and has worked in the Structural Engineering, Architecture, and Utility Engineering fields for the last two decades. I also happen to own a more than 700 volume library which contains better than 50% non-fiction items and which I've ready at least 75% of.

As for why many of us who identify as Conservative (to varying degrees) appear to be anti-intellectual or uneducated is because most of us realize that there are things which cannot and should not be explained. We understand that many times what is Right or Wrong is more important than what is Possible.
 
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This uneducated anti-intellectual holds a degree in an engineering-related field and has worked in the Structural Engineering, Architecture, and Utility Engineering fields for the last two decades. I also happen to own a more than 700 volume library which contains better than 50% non-fiction items and which I've ready at least 75% of.

Doesn't seem to have done you much good.
 
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This uneducated anti-intellectual holds a degree in an engineering-related field and has worked in the Structural Engineering, Architecture, and Utility Engineering fields for the last two decades. I also happen to own a more than 700 volume library which contains better than 50% non-fiction items and which I've ready at least 75% of.

As for why many of us who identify as Conservative (to varying degrees) appear to be anti-intellectual or uneducated is because most of us realize that there are things which cannot and should not be explained. We understand that many times what is Right or Wrong is more important than what is Possible.

Ok, so you hold a degree in a trade. That's good--not very relevant.

Why don't you have any curiosity about science? Why shouldn't our world be explained?
 
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Why don't you have any curiosity about science? Why shouldn't our world be explained?

I have little to no curiosity about science because I live in a "Should Do" world rather than a "Can Do" world. By which I mean that my life is based not on wants, needs, desires, or anything of that sort but on a set of traditions and ideals that tell me what I Should Do in any particular situation. Since that road is already laid out before me, and the correct path is clearly definable by a very basic set of If-Then statements, there really is no need to consider or ponder anything outside of that paradigm.

I believe our lives here are intended to be based on the aforementioned concept of "Should Do" over "Can Do". Therefore the search for new things is unnecessary.
 
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I have little to no curiosity about science because I live in a "Should Do" world rather than a "Can Do" world. By which I mean that my life is based not on wants, needs, desires, or anything of that sort but on a set of traditions and ideals that tell me what I Should Do in any particular situation. Since that road is already laid out before me, and the correct path is clearly definable by a very basic set of If-Then statements, there really is no need to consider or ponder anything outside of that paradigm.

I believe our lives here are intended to be based on the aforementioned concept of "Should Do" over "Can Do". Therefore the search for new things is unnecessary.

Where did those traditions and ideals come from?

Even if you're going to put your blinders on and drive down the straight highway, why does that mean you need to deny scientific facts?
 
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Where did those traditions and ideals come from?

Hundreds and Thousands of years of family and societal traditions.

Even if you're going to put your blinders on and drive down the straight highway, why does that mean you need to deny scientific facts?

Mostly because those "facts" take the focus away from where it belongs.... on the Traditions and Ideals that we should all be following.
 
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Hundreds and Thousands of years of family and societal traditions.



Mostly because those "facts" take the focus away from where it belongs.... on the Traditions and Ideals that we should all be following.

So you feel that traditions have more authority than the scientific method?
 
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So you feel that traditions have more authority than the scientific method?

I feel they have more relevance to our purpose here on Earth, which I believe is to live a proper life, not the one they necessarily want to live in order that one's soul may be deemed worthy to move on to a better place after life.
 
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Hundreds and Thousands of years of family and societal traditions.

Mostly because those "facts" take the focus away from where it belongs.... on the Traditions and Ideals that we should all be following.

Wasnt it tradition to hold people from other lands in slavery for thousands of years?
Wasnt it tradition to celebrate the solstice because it meant the sun was coming back?
Wasnt it tradition to believe that the sun revolved around the earth?
 
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I feel they have more relevance to our purpose here on Earth, which I believe is to live a proper life, not the one they necessarily want to live in order that one's soul may be deemed worthy to move on to a better place after life.

Appeal to tradition (also known as argumentum ad antiquitatem, appeal to antiquity, or appeal to common practice) is a common fallacy in which a thesis is deemed correct on the basis that it correlates with some past or present tradition. The appeal takes the form of "this is right because we've always done it this way."

An appeal to tradition essentially makes two assumptions that are not necessarily true:

The old way of thinking was proven correct when introduced, i.e. since the old way of thinking was prevalent, it was necessarily correct.
In actuality this may be false—the tradition might be entirely based on incorrect grounds.
The past justifications for the tradition are still valid at present.
In actuality, the circumstances may have changed; this assumption may also therefore be untrue.
The opposite of an appeal to tradition is an appeal to novelty, claiming something is good because it is new.

Appeal to tradition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Wasnt it tradition to hold people from other lands in slavery for thousands of years?
Wasnt it tradition to celebrate the solstice because it meant the sun was coming back?
Wasnt it tradition to believe that the sun revolved around the earth?

Yes it was, and at least two of those things there's absolutely nothing wrong with. I'll let you ponder which two.

Appeal to tradition (also known as argumentum ad antiquitatem, appeal to antiquity, or appeal to common practice) is a common fallacy in which a thesis is deemed correct on the basis that it correlates with some past or present tradition. The appeal takes the form of "this is right because we've always done it this way."

You don't have to accept it as your way of viewing the world, but many of us still do.
 
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Yes it was, and at least two of those things there's absolutely nothing wrong with. I'll let you ponder which two.



You don't have to accept it as your way of viewing the world, but many of us still do.

A logical fallacy is your world view? That's F'd.
 
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A logical fallacy is your world view? That's F'd.

One man's logical fallacy is another man's philosophical bedrock.
 
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One man's logical fallacy is another man's philosophical bedrock.

Yes, it is. It certainly is.
 
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There is no faith whatsoever in science.
Scientific method - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



It has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Also, why don't you want to comprehend things? It would demystify life. It must be mind boggling living in a world like Alice in Wonderland
or Winnie the Pooh where there is no science.

They have to say that. The anti-intellectual, anti-science crowd has nothing left but to try to call science faith since all logical arguments fail for them. Nothing you can do, it is and will continue to be an automatic response by some of the larger science haters.
 
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I have always seen you as a creationist, and I don't understand why you are timid to represent it. I would have more respect if you did rather than playing dodge ball, strawman, and semantics.

We already think you're complaining about people ignoring the role of God in evolution. Why not just say it?

You won't get bashed by every science nerd in here for believing in God. Christian bashers are assholes.
I don't know where you got that idea or why you think it is relevant. The quote regarding natural selection is wrong whether or not I am a "creationist."

We already think you're complaining about people ignoring the role of God in evolution. Why not just say it?
That belief is a product of your own biases. There is no basis for it in anything I've said in this thread, or any other.
 
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The quote regarding natural selection was not wrong, it was vague, it was too vague based on your initial criticism. And you were asked several dozen times to specifically indicate your grievance and tell us what the poster missed.

When you come into a thread being a jerk and accusing several of us of being so extremely ignorant and naive that we will believe anything we read online, then it is a bit ironic to see you get defensive and accuse us of bias against you.

Truth is, yeah, I think you are creationist or supporter of intelligent design. That's my opinion. It's nothing personal, so there's no reason to get defensive. If I am wrong, then correct me. I am not interested in bickering.

I am interested in knowing exactly why you have been harping on Southern Democrat's post, and what exactly he didn't mention that got you so amped up and judgmental.


I don't know where you got that idea or why you think it is relevant. The quote regarding natural selection is wrong whether or not I am a "creationist."


That belief is a product of your own biases. There is no basis for it in anything I've said in this thread, or any other.
 
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Friendly reminder for tonight's debate.
19h00 to 21h30 EST Feb 4

Live streaming from debatelive,org

my Firefox had trouble connecting but IE managed.

Who is going to win?
 
Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

Friendly reminder for tonight's debate.
19h00 to 21h30 EST Feb 4

Live streaming from debatelive,org

my Firefox had trouble connecting but IE managed.

Who is going to win?

The creationists have won already because Nye descended to their level in agreeing to 'debate'.
 
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How many creationists does it take to change a light bulb? Only one. And you better believe it takes him no more than seven days.
 
Re: Bill Nye the Science Guy to debate Creation museum founder Ken Ham[W:164]

Friendly reminder for tonight's debate.
19h00 to 21h30 EST Feb 4

Live streaming from debatelive,org

my Firefox had trouble connecting but IE managed.

Who is going to win?

Nobody. Reality isn't up for a vote.
 
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The creationists have won already because Nye descended to their level in agreeing to 'debate'.

True. Having someone as high-profile as Bill Nye talk to this guy gives the false impression that creationists are somehow an equal in this "debate."
 
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